1992 "KL" Miata [Archive] - MX5 Miata Atlanta Owners Club

MeFryRice

12-10-2008, 10:23 AM

http://www.miata.net/cgi-bin/isc/classifieds.cgi?action=detail&AdNumber=78509&CategoryID=106&SubID=1039&Position=2&TotalCount=10&Session=493fec7168b6670b&FirstPage=&LastPage=20&prevaction=show

]This is the one-and-only, KLiata. Past MoM winner and cover story in summer issue of MX5 Forever. Powered by the wonderful Mazda KL-DE, 2.5-litre V6,it uses RX7 clutch arrangement and stock Miata gearbox. It is painted VW soft blue, and has the small Tuckin99 flares, RB TypeII nose and Simpson cowl hood. See website for excruciating detail.

Doppelgänger

12-10-2008, 10:34 AM

i've seen this car... pretty cool and CLEAN. I can't click the link, but are there are pictures of a nice fitting hood on it? Last pics I saw it still had a funk hood for the intakes...

RotorNutFD3S

12-10-2008, 10:38 AM

It appears that it has a true cowl induction hood.

metalman

12-10-2008, 10:54 AM

It is unique thats for sure.
However, if I go to the work, expense, and trouble to do a swap
its not going to be a V6 nor will it be powder blue. ;)

MeFryRice

12-10-2008, 11:40 AM

The blue isn't my favorite either.

BFH miata

12-10-2008, 11:45 AM

interesting set up with the individual throttle bodies and all. 12 g's is a little much though.

simontibbett

12-10-2008, 11:48 AM

I was worried he would be asking more then 12, it sounds mean, and is pretty cool. I'd take it over a V8 swapped Miata probably.

Jack-MX5ATLanta.com

12-10-2008, 11:49 AM

Cool idea, absolutely ******* hideous though. That colour is just crap.

BFH miata

12-10-2008, 06:12 PM

nothing that a few rattle cans (or a roller) can't fix.

MeFryRice

12-10-2008, 06:17 PM

What is it with spray painting/roller painting your car?? Why not spend the money and get something that looks good instead of ***.

RotorNutFD3S

12-10-2008, 06:32 PM

I think he was joking about the rattle cans, but I've seen some roller jobs up close and they look just as good as a $$$k paint job. You'll have to see my neighbor's '32 Ford hot rod. He spent almost 3 weeks doing the work, but that car is a beautiful fire engine red!

Spending less than 5% of the price of some body shop = win.

jesseealexander

12-11-2008, 11:59 AM

Doppelgänger

12-11-2008, 12:03 PM

Personally, I like the blue on that Miata...

Doppelgänger

12-11-2008, 12:04 PM

qft. not everyone can afford to be charged out the *** for paint.
If I had to make a decision on a car that was to be driven on the street, i'd rather have a $500 Macco 2-stage ( of course, i'd do all the prep work and whatnot myself) than that roller paint...unless the car was a dedicated track car.

MeFryRice

12-11-2008, 12:08 PM

If it's a track car only, in simontibbets case, then I understand but for something that is everyday driven, I want something that's going to look good and not have a lot of orange-peel in the paint.

RotorNutFD3S

12-11-2008, 12:12 PM

You guys really don't get it do you? If you take the time to do the roller job correctly, it can look just as good, or in the cases I've seen my neighbor do, better than a multi thousand dollar paint job.

If I had the time to wait on my car to get done that way, I would. But I don't feel like having my car down the extra time it would take to have it done properly, so a local friend will be hooking me up with some help.

MeFryRice

12-11-2008, 12:13 PM

I guess I don't. Until I see this in person, it's hard for me to believe. (I'm not saying your wrong Eric). From a true detailers point of view, the paint depth won't be even.

RotorNutFD3S

12-11-2008, 12:15 PM

I gotcha. There's a thread on the process (very detailed too) done on an old Challenger. If done correctly, it takes time, but comes out very very well, and if you thin the paint and roll it correctly, the depths are even. I'll have to see if I can get him to pull his hot rod out sometime and let you come see it. You won't believe he rolled it.

MeFryRice

12-11-2008, 12:22 PM

That works! Just let me know.

mustangtomiata

12-11-2008, 05:47 PM

If it's a track car only, in simontibbets case, then I understand but for something that is everyday driven, I want something that's going to look good and not have a lot of orange-peel in the paint.

My car has a paint booth paint job and it has orange peel everywhere, just because a shop did it doesn't mean its going to look good, and two of my friends(they are brothers) rattle canned their mud trucks, which was dumb cuz they pretty much are always brown and neither was rusting, and they turned out awesome.

You guys really don't get it do you? If you take the time to do the roller job correctly, it can look just as good, or in the cases I've seen my neighbor do, better than a multi thousand dollar paint job.

I agree, with painting its all about prep work and patience.

BFH miata

12-11-2008, 05:55 PM

sorry for stirring the pot, I was joking...

lance

12-11-2008, 07:19 PM

I guess I don't. Until I see this in person, it's hard for me to believe. (I'm not saying your wrong Eric). From a true detailers point of view, the paint depth won't be even.

they did a story in Hot Rod Magazine.
The process is a lot of paint laid on with a roller then a lot and I mean a lot of wet sanding until everything is smooth and then buffed.

It can look decent, but the amount of hand labor is insane.

Lnce

amaff

12-11-2008, 08:04 PM

I'm with Mike on this. I actually like the blue. And as nice as a V8 miata would be, the ITBs on that KL just sound flippin beautiful.

MeFryRice

12-12-2008, 07:40 AM

they did a story in Hot Rod Magazine.
The process is a lot of paint laid on with a roller then a lot and I mean a lot of wet sanding until everything is smooth and then buffed.

It can look decent, but the amount of hand labor is insane.

Lnce

I don't even want to think about how much wet-sanding would need to take place. I'm getting tired just thinking about it. :lol:

metalman

12-12-2008, 08:44 AM

There are alot of myths about paintjobs...one being it takes insanely expensive booths & equipment to do quality work. Yeah luxuries are nice but not required. Some of the nicest paintjobs I have ever seen have been done in yards/garages.

Its true, Eric is right, roller jobs can look fantastic...although most dont.
The reason most dont is that the painter doesnt put in enough of the essential ingredient....TIME. But then that is the essential ingredient for any quality looking result.
Spray jobs are no exception. With spray most of the TIME is spent before painting...hours and hours and hours and hours....with roller jobs most of the TIME is spent after. The results can be very similar, although roller job tends to look more like a single stage 'old skool' paint job in most cases...and not the cheesy glassy Nopi look of 27 coats of clear. Fact is, base/clear paint has made painting relatively easy for idiots. Spray enough clear on something repeatedly and use sandpaper and its bound to have 'depth'. The best painters I have ever known can shoot single stage paint that looks like glass....but the prep takes TIME. Lots of it!

Doppelgänger

12-12-2008, 08:59 AM

When a friend and I decided to paint my 96 (he had worked for Spies-Hecker and Dupont for MANY MANY years and was incredibly knowlegeable on everything reguarding automotive paint). We spent about 36 hrs just prepping the car from removing the soft top, all trim, door handles, lighting, bumpers and then taped every little bit off, sanded guide coated, sanded, primered wet sand, guide coat, more primer, wet sand, base coat , clear coat, wet sand , compound buff, polish buff and wax..... it was long process that was worth every bit of time in the end.

metalman

12-12-2008, 09:09 AM

I gotcha. There's a thread on the process (very detailed too) done on an old Challenger.

I think maybe you meant Charger? ;)

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC02764.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d13/69martin/DSC02769.jpg

This fellow has done several classic cars with a roller.

MeFryRice

12-12-2008, 09:18 AM

That works because it's on an older vehicle. If the Charger had a paint job that entailed a lot of clear-coat, it just wouldn't look original.

RotorNutFD3S

12-12-2008, 09:33 AM

I think maybe you meant Charger? ;)

Nope. Challenger. Done up with the green/black scheme. I've seen that Charger before as well, but the Challenger sticks out more in my mind.

metalman

12-12-2008, 09:45 AM

That works because it's on an older vehicle. If the Charger had a paint job that entailed a lot of clear-coat, it just wouldn't look original.

To me 'a lot' of clear coat looks cheesy on most any car. I find most of the paint jobs oohed and ahhhed over at import shows to be boring. But youre right, classic cars look best/correct with paints that resemble or are single stage paint.

metalman

12-12-2008, 09:45 AM

Nope. Challenger. Done up with the green/black scheme. I've seen that Charger before as well, but the Challenger sticks out more in my mind.

Hmmm I may recall that one as well.

MeFryRice

12-12-2008, 09:54 AM

To me 'a lot' of clear coat looks cheesy on most any car. I find most of the paint jobs oohed and ahhhed over at import shows to be boring.

I completely agree.

Jack-MX5ATLanta.com

12-12-2008, 10:05 AM

I think you're over complicating it.

DIY jobs tend to be done by people who have a bad paint job as it is.... mismatched parts, no clear coat etc... And people with these cars don't tend to have a couple of grand laying around for nice and expensive paint job. So to make the best out of a bad situation, they get ahold of $50 worth of equipment and go at it themselves.

So it may not be perfectly smooth, evenly distributed, or shiny enough. But it is invariably better looking than what they had before. I certainly know that if I was in their situation I would sooner spend a good amount of my own time going at it rather than going into debt for someone else to.

Unless you are talking about a rice culture where people will roller/spray their own semi-valuable car just to do it, which would be stupid, then I think you're being overly harsh on these people.

Doppelgänger

12-12-2008, 10:26 AM

YOU'RE ALL WRONG.... SPRAY CANS ARE WHERE IT'S AT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!!!!1!!!I1I!i1I1i!i1I11II1I !!!I1I1!i

metalman

12-12-2008, 10:27 AM

.99 cent Walmart aerosol for the win! lol..

MeFryRice

12-12-2008, 10:28 AM

I'm not saying that they shouldn't do it, it's just something I personally wouldn't do to any of my vehicles.

RotorNutFD3S

12-12-2008, 11:00 AM

YOU'RE ALL WRONG.... SPRAY CANS ARE WHERE IT'S AT!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN I WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!!1!!!!1!!!I1I!i1I1i!i1I11II1I !!!I1I1!i

Coming from the guy that covered his car in a sticker. :D