Nissan's SynchroRev Match

[MeFryRice]

I was just reading in a Motor Trend magazine I received at work that the new 370Z will have what they call SycnhroRev Match which will automatically blip the throttle on downshifts in the manual gearbox.

I think it kinda takes away from all the fun. How accurate will it be? How will it
know which gear the driver will choose?

What are your thoughts on this?

[jester911]

Too many drivers aids make me feel like I am less engaged with car/road. I don't think I like it. I am not a big 350 fan anyway. The 370 looks a little better but I think they had it right with the original 240.

[RotorNutFD3S]

I think it's a perfect example of cars becoming too smart and taking away from the actual skill and experience of driving. This basically allows people that don't know squat about driving the ability to buy good times on the track.
On the other hand, it's a cool technology and props to Nissan for developing it. Hopefully it doesn't cause the trans. to break. :lol:

[amaff]

guess what the sequential boxes in most high-level race cars have been doing for years now (ALMS, Rolex Sports Car, SWC, etc). Ever listen to a GT2 Porsche (as opposed to a Porsche GT2 LOL) downshifting coming through the Esses or the turn 10 complex @ Road Atlanta?

[jester911]

Agreed. I guess the thing you can say about it is that it won't have much affect on average street driving so they seem to be thinking more about track duty. I guess time will tell if they measure up.

[MeFryRice]

Now EVERY 370Z owner will think they are the gods of driving. :(

[jester911]

Unlike all the rest of the drivers.:lol:

[Doppelgänger]

I bet it'll be based on brake pedal application and speed sensors.

Still, Nissan seems to be goign to far with making over-complicated transmissions.

[mustangtomiata]

I was just reading in a Motor Trend magazine I received at work that the new 370Z will have what they call SycnhroRev Match which will automatically blip the throttle on downshifts in the manual gearbox.

I think it kinda takes away from all the fun. How accurate will it be? How will it
know which gear the driver will choose?

What are your thoughts on this?

guess what the sequential boxes in most high-level race cars have been doing for years now (ALMS, Rolex Sports Car, SWC, etc). Ever listen to a GT2 Porsche (as opposed to a Porsche GT2 LOL) downshifting coming through the Esses or the turn 10 complex @ Road Atlanta?

Now EVERY 370Z owner will think they are the gods of driving. :(


I agree in that it does take a lot away from the driver, and also the sequential boxes in high end race cars(which get rebuilt much more often than a street trans) have to go through every gear when up and down shifting unlike a 370 where you could go 5-3-2 or something like that, unless somehow the car forces the driver to hit every gear downshifting, which would annoy me. Still props to nissan for a good idea and it will be interesting to see how reliable and good it works. As for mefryrice, if this causes them to think they are gods then what do they consider themselves now? haha

[simontibbett]

guess what the sequential boxes in most high-level race cars have been doing for years now (ALMS, Rolex Sports Car, SWC, etc). Ever listen to a GT2 Porsche (as opposed to a Porsche GT2 LOL) downshifting coming through the Esses or the turn 10 complex @ Road Atlanta?

TOTALLY different lolol...those are sequential.

[amaff]

TOTALLY different lolol...those are sequential.

yeah... I said that...


In any case, I'm interested to see how it's applied before knocking it completely.


And I agree with Frohawk... complex transmissions are just asking for really expensive trouble down the road.

[simontibbett]

Yeah I know I meant like in these days they don't use the clutch so it electronically blips just like any type of paddleshift tranny in a street car. I know you know this though lol. Didn't mean to sound like a dick.

I can't wait to drive one of these new Nissan's though. It sounds like a disaster.

[MeFryRice]

I think the car itself is hideous. I'm not a fan of their new image that they've obtained.

[amaff]

I think the car itself is hideous. I'm not a fan of their new image that they've obtained.

I'm not going to lie... if they were going for a more 240Z type look, they failed miserably. It's pretty ugly.

[deerock]

i feel a massive recall coming on.

lol:lol:

[ben91]

You guys kinda miss the point. This doesn't add any complexity to the transmission at all, save perhaps a few microswitches on the shift turret (assumably the car already has them though). All these new cars use electronically controlled throttle bodies (drive by wire throttle). So it's just a matter of programming the car's PCM to crack the throttle when downshifting. This will not add any stress to the transmission, in fact quite the opposite.

This concept will swim or sink based on programming. If the nerds get the software right, it will be a blazing success. And then everybody else will do it. I see no reason why they will fail because it's not dissimillar to technology that's been sucessfully implemented in race cars years ago.

I appluad Nissan for taking the inititive. This is certainly a much better idea than their other concept of resistance based feedback on accelerator pedals when the vehicle thinks that you've accelerated too quickly. ;)

[simontibbett]

Idk if I could drive on the street like that, I heel and toe EVERY downshift. Or blip the throttle just downshifting.

[amaff]

Idk if I could drive on the street like that, I heel and toe EVERY downshift. Or blip the throttle just downshifting.

me too... it would bug the hell out of me.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Likewise but it's quite cool to see a normal manufacturer doing something like this.

[Doppelgänger]

Next thing you know Nissan will be publishing a book that's titles "Diving hard for Dummy's".. and inside you'll find various pictures of the 370z and the GT-R...and that's it.

[lance]

I was just reading in a Motor Trend magazine I received at work that the new 370Z will have what they call SycnhroRev Match which will automatically blip the throttle on downshifts in the manual gearbox.

I think it kinda takes away from all the fun. How accurate will it be? How will it
know which gear the driver will choose?

What are your thoughts on this?

If there was an internet back then, would have probably had the same discussion when auto makers moved from the crash box to synchros in the transmission. "Woosies that don't know how to double clutch shouldn't be driving. Will take all the fun out of driving Next thing you know anyone will look like a good driver"


Hell, I am glad you can still get a car with a manual transmission.

Was having my SSR serviced last year and was walking around the lot at the Chevy dealer. Looked at the corvettes on the lot, there were about 15, and not a single manual transmission!!

[MeFryRice]

It's almost depressing when you go to any new car dealership these days to see that the majority of the inventory is slopamatics. :(

[amaff]

Was having my SSR serviced last year and was walking around the lot at the Chevy dealer. Looked at the corvettes on the lot, there were about 15, and not a single manual transmission!!

Pathetic isn't it?

And... I'm refraining from any comment about your 'truck'... just so we're clear.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Subaru still seems okay about manuals. I was test driving a bunch of cars today, they still had a manual version of everything. But yeah, they're a dying breed, soon it'll be mostly performance cars that offer a manual version.

[MeFryRice]

I understand that most of the automatic transmissions available in a sport car can shift faster then any human possibly can but IMO, I will always prefer to have the manual when available.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Yep, I'll sacrifice a few milliseconds for more of a connection with the car.

[jesseealexander]

Was having my SSR serviced last year and was walking around the lot at the Chevy dealer. Looked at the corvettes on the lot, there were about 15, and not a single manual transmission!!


automatic non-z06 vettes are ALOT faster in a straight line than the manuals. they have a different rear end. ;)

[Doppelgänger]

Americans, in general, are a bunch of fat lazy flucks... so the automakers respond with crappy autotradgic transmissions. I've always said that if the car doesn't have 3 pedals, it's crap (there are exceptions..Veyron, SLR, etc..., but I wish even those had fully manual transmissions).

[MeFryRice]

At least Porsche did it right and made the CGT a proper gearbox. :)

[mustangtomiata]

+1 frohock for president lol, i heel toe a lot to it'd mess with me big time...I want to try and break one!

[amaff]

Americans, in general, are a bunch of fat lazy flucks... so the automakers respond with crappy autotradgic transmissions. I've always said that if the car doesn't have 3 pedals, it's crap (there are exceptions..Veyron, SLR, etc..., but I wish even those had fully manual transmissions).

Agreed. Add the F430 and 360 Modena to the list (mmm 360 Stradale or F430 Scuderia). Those are proper, sequential boxes. Not a slushbox that gives you some 'control'