Official MX5Atlanta Dyno Day March 7th at Lethal Injection Motorsports

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Righto, thanks to the good guys of Lethal Injection motorsports, who I'm sure plenty of us on here already know, we've managed to set up a dyno day with them.

What does the dyno day consist of?

In much the same manner as our previous meets there will be a gathering of Miata, cool people and some food. But there's more!

Each car will be able to receive 3 runs on the in house dyno. A/F readings are no added cost if you already have a suitable bung, if you don't they will sell and install one for you at $50. They don't like using the one's found in exhausts because they go through too many O2 sensors (something along these lines, I'm not a pro in this area).


When
Saturday March 7th starting at 9am (might be subject to slight change).

Where
205 Tidwell Dr
Alpharetta, GA 30004

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=205A+Tidwell+Drive,+Alpharetta,+GA+30004&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&split=0&gl=us&ei=UCyTSeWbBY-Etgeym8zRCw&ll=34.111023,-84.239216&spn=0.025832,0.05579&z=15&iwloc=addr


Price
The cost is $45 for 3 runs. Ok we met the deposit so the event is definitely going through. You can pay $45 on the day but will have to go after everyone who has paid the $20 deposit. So if you want to guarantee a spot please send me $20 ahead of time.

It is free to show up and hang out with everyone. :)

Payments via paypal should be made to jack d maddox @comcast.net no spaces

If you wish to do cash please get in touch with me and we will try and sort something out.

Who
(People who have made deposits)
Me
FE3tMX5
matredd
redrumracer replaced with ftjandra
nickt93
blk95r
silver280zx
roadster
RotorNutFD3S for Doppelgänger
Metallic36 from Mazda forums replaced with Fooschnickens
MOD Scotty
N3V
Hari


Any questions, just ask.

[FE3tMX5]

Are we sending funds via paypal, going postal with a check or wiring funds from Nigeria?

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Nigeria Western Union preferred :lol:

Paypal is the most practical for me but cash works too if need be.

[RotorNutFD3S]

Won't be sending money for this one. No car to dyno. Will probably show up though.

[FE3tMX5]

You can sit in my car on the dyno and make your trademark engine noises, no charge. :D

[RotorNutFD3S]

SWEET! That adds horsepower you know! I'll do nitrous noises just for you, it'll add about 150 at the wheels. :D

[miataspeed69]

ill be there to hang out should be fun.

[Acro]

I'll prolly come and hang out. Can't dyno though. Got no money, a bad rear axle/wheelbearing. Don't wanna break it.

[redrumracer]

are there spaces in between the words or did you do that for easier reading?

[MeFryRice]

I will come to watch.

Jack, sorry I could not get an answer from Allspeed for you. :(

[redrumracer]

so out of the 27 people that voted on dates no one has said that they will dyno there car?

ill dyno mine just for ****s and giggles, hopefully ill have my oil leaking problem fixed. if not we wont have to worry about mosquito's :D ill paypal the $20 before the 21.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Cheers steph. Hopefully more people chime in.

[FlipKing]

I'll see what I can do, i'd like to dyno it Would my stock 95 have a bung to do it? that might be the breaking point,lol

[amaff]

SWEET! That adds horsepower you know! I'll do nitrous noises just for you, it'll add about 150 at the wheels. :D

Nitrous...doesn't make noise.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

I'll see what I can do, i'd like to dyno it Would my stock 95 have a bung to do it? that might be the breaking point,lol

I don't think it has the extra o2 sensor because it's not obdII. Come on....... :D

I'm gonna start sending harassing emails :lol:

[matredd]

I'm in. I'll get the $20 to you shortly.

[caseyfoster]

Ill be there

[RotorNutFD3S]

Nitrous...doesn't make noise.

Wow. Read into things much? Way to kill the joke...

[amaff]

Sorry... hasn't been a particularly good day @ work so far and I've got 4 more hours to go. Found out that everyone's working 10a-10p tomorrow and Friday... so, it's been 1 of those days. My bad :facepalm:

[RotorNutFD3S]

It's all good. I can relate. ****ty day at work, then found out my engine won't be ready to go when it was supposed to be. Kills anything left of a decent mood. Even with 12 hour shifts, hope things improve.
So to be on topic here, you coming to the dyno day? :D

[amaff]

Unfortunately due to the date, no. We're going to be prepping the car for the National Tour down in Valdaosta the week after.

[FlipKing]

lol, that extra 50 hurts

[Atlanta93LE]

I'd be in for sure, except my parents might be stopping through town as their last visit before moving to China. We'll see.

[LagunaRoadster]

Do you have to have a tow strap/baby teeth/racing hook in front to be able to get on the dyno and be strapped down?

[nickt93]

Count me in. $20 on its way to you shortly Jack. Thanks for organizing!

[amaff]

Do you have to have a tow strap/baby teeth/racing hook in front to be able to get on the dyno and be strapped down?

Not likely. They should be able to strap it b/w spokes in the front wheels or on the control arm (not ideal)

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Do you have to have a tow strap/baby teeth/racing hook in front to be able to get on the dyno and be strapped down?

Nope, they'll probably use the wheels.

Stephan/stefan, I put spaces in my email address to prevent spam bots picking it up.

Flipking, the extra $50 isn't too bad considering it's probably less than what you'd normally pay to have someone make it up and install it for you. You can still get some good runs without it and learn how your car sits.

I'm not expecting big power or anything crazy, I just want to make sure my car is performing as strong as it should be. And get a good baseline before boost.

[FE3tMX5]

I'm sure they don't want to have to deal with old crusty O2 sensors and bungs... I don't blame 'em. But I'm surprised that won't use a tail pipe sniffer if there's no bung- at least it would provide some kind of reference.

[blk95r]

I'm in for the 7th, I'll paypal you the amount needed. Thanks for setting this up, doesn't hurt that I live right up the road from there.

[silver280zx]

I suppose im in, so its 50 bucks, and you need 20 of it up front aye?

[Roadster]

Count me in. I need to see what mine's making now.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

I suppose im in, so its 50 bucks, and you need 20 of it up front aye?

No. It's $45, $20 now. The $50 is a completely separate charge and only if you want them to go ahead and weld/install a bung for the A/F readings in stock cars.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

I'm sure they don't want to have to deal with old crusty O2 sensors and bungs... I don't blame 'em. But I'm surprised that won't use a tail pipe sniffer if there's no bung- at least it would provide some kind of reference.

That's probably something to talk about them with when you're at the shop. I'm not sure why either, didn't occur to me while I was on the phone.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Thanks for the payment fe3t!

[simontibbett]

Probably won't make it, might be in Florida (7th is my bday) but if I decide to stay here me and my guh may come.

[FlipKing]

Hmm, let me look into some things, i will DEF try

[FE3tMX5]

I'll have my laptop, datalog lab and serial link so I can log for anybody with a MiataLINK.

[Doppelgänger]

might come hang out....but am wiating to get my 3" before going back on the dyno.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Well let's get that 3incher asap! :lol:

[matredd]

Just get some 3" flex pipe and some clamps

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

But seriously, it's a great place to hang out. They have some really impressive rare cars there.

[FE3tMX5]

Find out if they've got a tail pipe sniffer (they must). I think that would increase interest - it's nice to see the AF compared to the power line. And yes, this is a good opp to get a baseline for those planning some mods. Also - you can do things like timing advances to get a bump in power - and know you're getting a bump. Or try out an intake/air filter, or air flow meter swap. Some of that stuff doesn't sound too significant but spec miatas have left the dyno with 7hp gain from timing changes and swapping out afms.

[jzilla]

http://i41.tinypic.com/nbr9ll.jpg

ooops

[matredd]

idiots

[N3v]

I can probably be there on the 7th. Sucks that I don't have an exhaust yet, but it'll be interesting to get a run in on the stock exhaust, to see how much a straightpipe gains. I'll send money this weekend jack.

[darknessprevails]

do thay have a Front wheel drive dyno there? have a close friend with a srt4 that would love to come also

[amaff]

do thay have a Front wheel drive dyno there? have a close friend with a srt4 that would love to come also

:facepalm:

FWD dyno = put front wheels on "RWD" dyno lol


EDIT: Here's a picture of a miata on a FWD Dyno:
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5291/backwardsmiatagz7gf1.jpg

[FlipKing]

20 sent. I dont need the a/f ratio b-c of how stock I am, so no need for a bung,lol. By the time for the dyno, i'll have timing, header, exintake mod, cone filter. we'll see what she will put down.

[darknessprevails]

just wondering some places are picky about fwd rwd because of strap locations and etc so I am gonna guess were good to go fwd at lethal I'll get up the money and paypal it soon

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

I'll ask about fwd cars, best bet just to send money for the miata's first.

[joaomiata]

I'll be there....

[FlipKing]

You get my money yet?

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

cjrp08?

[FlipKing]

Yup, thats me.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Added ya matey :)

[FlipKing]

Gracias. However, if 7 more people dont step up soon, then its not gonna matter,lol

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Yep. Gonna mass email. Quite depressing given the original enthusiasm.

[matredd]

payment sent holmes

[redrumracer]

just sent the payment.

so that means 5 more people

[FlipKing]

I didnt even vote originally.hahah But decided I wanted to see what kind of go kart numbers I could put down with my miata.haha Hopefully I'll be putting that header on the friday after you give it to me redrum.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Updated, thanks guys.

[FlipKing]

Damn,lol, 2 hour drive for me

[FlipKing]

bump, come on guys. 5 more

[nickt93]

+1 more. Jack - just sent you $20.

I almost missed the deadline b/c I typically just click in the toolbar at the top and read the new topics. For some reason this thread wasn't showing up - maybe because it's a sticky?

[JDM88]

Could be. Gonna mass email tonight. Or eric if you canthay would be great. I'm gonna be stuck in the video editing lab for quite a while tonight. The deadline has sneaked up. I'll see if they take paypal so we cab extend it. Thanks nick. I'll add you when I get back.

[RotorNutFD3S]

Nick's been added to the list and the email has been sent. :)

[LagunaRoadster]

I'll attend, but prolly wont run as I am getting my car tuned this friday.

[FE3tMX5]

Is it time to invite outsiders? anybody on CR.net that doesn't come here but is local?

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

It's looks like it. Let me email Derrick.

[FlipKing]

Status?

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

No reply. Going to call now.

[FlipKing]

KK, if this falls through, that 20 is going to the drag strip. :)

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Ok. Just got off the phone. They don't do the tail pipe sniffer because of inaccurate results.

And he's cool with opening it up to a few more car types. So if you have friends who may be interested (and aren't gonna act a fool), get them over here!

:D

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Ok, put it up on nearly all the forums I frequent. If you can think of anywhere go for it, although I have missed 240atl and IA out.

[FlipKing]

So you dont want it put up on IA?

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Not really. I don't want to attract them to be honest. If you've got a few good friends there by all means pm them. But on the whole I would rather it be avoided.

[FlipKing]

Haha, I understand that. Most of my car friends live in Warner Robins, though I have a few in ATL. Like I said, its gonna be a 2 hour drive for me, and most people dont want to do that.

[caseyfoster]

Dynolicious

[Atlanta93LE]

I'm still quite interested, but can't guarantee I'll be free yet :(

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

updated

[silver280zx]

im in, ill get you the deposit soon

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

N3v you should sign up!

[tbone heller]

What is the max horsepower that the dyno will allow? I have another car that I am interested in testing. I would guess it to be in the 300-400 hp range. http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2884950

[FlipKing]

It'll allow that. Some of the miatas will be pushing that...lol

[tbone heller]

Well, I might bring it if the weather is nice.

[RotorNutFD3S]

I was just looking at that today. :lol: I'll admit, I'm a little jealous of your cars....

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Please send me a deposit and bring that baby! I'll have some questions for you about that too, I've been pushing my dad towards one.

[redrumracer]

i would love to see that car out there.

[RotorNutFD3S]

Guess my mass email wasn't good enough. :(

[FlipKing]

One short? fail boat

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

They will accept paypal, so I can let it run a bit longer now that I don't have to allow for several days for the money to transfer.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

List updated :(

I'm not feeling too hopeful right now.

[N3v]

sorry jack, got the run-around a little on some parts I was selling, money coming soon

[FE3tMX5]

If N3v makes nine, we could all pitch in $5 for the tenth spot and do a lottery of some kind for each of those three pulls (dyno guys would be happy too with one less car to strap down). OR the runs could be sold at $15 each. Depends on interest/demand I suppose. I might be up for an additional run in that case if I'm cam gear tuning. Thoughts?

[blk95r]

I'll throw in some extra if that's what it'll take.

[RotorNutFD3S]

I'll pay for Mike to dyno his. Just to satisfy my own curiosity as to what his car is putting down. :lol: FWIW, my car will not be ready for this unless some miracle happens, and those haven't been coming my way lately for the car. Jack, I'll PayPal the deposit tomorrow at work.

And Mike, you don't have a choice buddy. :D

[JDM88]

Don't worry too much guys. If it doesn't work out by the 21st I'll organaise another one a week or so later. Topspeed said over on wrxatl they could do an even better deal but let's hope we can get this one done first. I really like the guys at lethal and think everyone would have a really good time there.

[blk95r]

I hope it'll work out the following weekend I'm working and can't go, even though TopSpeed's place is awesome. They are even closer to me, and they corner balanced my car after getting coilovers, great guys there.

[FlipKing]

Sorry I had to flake guys :( Got a new job and dont want to ask off that early into it. :(

[RotorNutFD3S]

That's completely understandable. Can't afford to have them thinking you're going to keep doing that, not with today's job market. We'll have more dyno days I'm sure. :)

[Doppelgänger]

So when the hell did I get thrown in to the mix? :lol:
If that's what you want to do Eric.... well, i'm not going to argue with a free dyno run :D

I can always throw in a couple buck to help out I guess.

Do any of us need to being snacks/drinks? That went very well at the tech day....

[RotorNutFD3S]

So when the hell did I get thrown in to the mix? :lol:
If that's what you want to do Eric.... well, i'm not going to argue with a free dyno run :D

I can always throw in a couple buck to help out I guess.

Do any of us need to being snacks/drinks? That went very well at the tech day....

Well, I had money set aside for my car praying that it was going to be done in time. It's not, so you're up. :D

I'm down with the snack/drink idea. We'll be there for a while...

[Doppelgänger]

I'll bring some in that case...

[RotorNutFD3S]

The deposit for your spot has now been made.

[Acro]

I'll be there, but can't run. Can't afford it.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

The deposit for your spot has now been made.

Cool!

I'll be bringing some goodies too.

[FE3tMX5]

So this means Eric is driving Mike's car on the dyno? :D

[JDM88]

Kickass. Someone else sent me a payment too. I think it may have been someone from the mazda forums, I'm gonna hve to verify when I get fully online.

[Metallic36]

That was me :)

Kickass. Someone else sent me a payment too. I think it may have been someone from the mazda forums, I'm gonna hve to verify when I get fully online.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Awesome, already updated the post. JDM88 = my alter ego when I'm on the go. Post up a little intro over here :)

http://www.mx5atlanta.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Argh, really could do with a few more people signing up. I hate paypal fees.

[Pitt]

I'll see if I can make it out meet you guys...but my pockets are empty from the shock upgrade...and I'm not quite done with my diy modding yet, so I don't want to see the results until I've finished them up...so maybe another dyno day, I will.

[MoD_Scotty]

Is it too late to sign up? I think that if I actually paid the $20, I'd have to motivation to finish working on my Mirage. I know you guys probably don't want some FWD monstrosity around your Miatas...but I really need to crack the whip and get this thing rolling. This would force me to work on it! And if I don't get it done in time, I'll just bring the Mazdaspeed3 and see what it'll do stock.

One more question....is it a 2wd or awd dyno? I have some EVO/DSM/Suby friends that might want to get in on the action.

[Doppelgänger]

bring it!

[wildfire0310]

Is it too late to sign up? I think that if I actually paid the $20, I'd have to motivation to finish working on my Mirage. I know you guys probably don't want some FWD monstrosity around your Miatas...but I really need to crack the whip and get this thing rolling. This would force me to work on it! And if I don't get it done in time, I'll just bring the Mazdaspeed3 and see what it'll do stock.

One more question....is it a 2wd or awd dyno? I have some EVO/DSM/Suby friends that might want to get in on the action.


dude.. you know I will drool over the swapped mirage. :biggrin:

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Is it too late to sign up? I think that if I actually paid the $20, I'd have to motivation to finish working on my Mirage. I know you guys probably don't want some FWD monstrosity around your Miatas...but I really need to crack the whip and get this thing rolling. This would force me to work on it! And if I don't get it done in time, I'll just bring the Mazdaspeed3 and see what it'll do stock.

One more question....is it a 2wd or awd dyno? I have some EVO/DSM/Suby friends that might want to get in on the action.

Nope! A $20 deposit will make my life easier! It's a 2wd dyno, but if you have any friends who may be interested guide them this way.

[MoD_Scotty]

Awesome, then I'll send the $20. I'm really hoping to have the Mirage done...because that car is the ultimate sleeper. You'll know what I'm talkin about when I roll up in it!

[wildfire0310]

Awesome, then I'll send the $20. I'm really hoping to have the Mirage done...because that car is the ultimate sleeper. You'll know what I'm talkin about when I roll up in it!


the ultimate sleeper is the awd swapped mirages and colts:biggrin:
2000ish pounds, AWD and 300+ horsepower =:jawdrop::biggrin::banana:

[MoD_Scotty]

Mine should be around 2400lbs, and when I'm done, about 300whp...but only FWD for now :(

Regardless, it'll be completely ridiculous. I'm shooting for 250whp right now.

Payment has been sent via Paypal.

[wildfire0310]

but only FWD for now :(


That can easily be fixed:biggrin:

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

CCool got your payment :)

[MoD_Scotty]

That can easily be fixed:biggrin:

Especially because I'm using the AWD tranny (replacing viscous couple with a viscous coupling eliminator), and I still have the transfer case and driveshaft. I would need a rear subframe from a 1G DSM, a rear diff from a Galant VR4 or EVO I-II, to relocate the stock fuel tank, and to fabricate a new engine crossmember (stock one is where the transfer case would sit).

So basically, about a week's work with a competent welder. But I want to get the 4G63T swap done first, and see how completely undriveable it'll be as a FWD. Then I'll decide whether or not to do AWD.

[MoD_Scotty]

^^^^^ This is why I feel guilty whenever I work on the Miata!

[wildfire0310]

Especially because I'm using the AWD tranny (replacing viscous couple with a viscous coupling eliminator), and I still have the transfer case and driveshaft. I would need a rear subframe from a 1G DSM, a rear diff from a Galant VR4 or EVO I-II, to relocate the stock fuel tank, and to fabricate a new engine crossmember (stock one is where the transfer case would sit).

So basically, about a week's work with a competent welder. But I want to get the 4G63T swap done first, and see how completely undriveable it'll be as a FWD. Then I'll decide whether or not to do AWD.


Oh you know the first time you lay onto the throttle and the front wheels just keepa spinning. You going to think... you know I can just do an awd swap.:biggrin:

[FooSchnickens]

I'm assuming this is still open since Eric pointed me this way?

It'll be nice to see John again, I haven't seen him since they moved from the old place next to Arthur.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Yep it's still open. I'm sending the $200 to Lethal tomorrow. We should have the $200 now, in which case the $20 deposits will now be used to guarantee a spot rather than purely making sure the meet goes ahead. If not, then it will go towards the $200 deposit as well as ensuring your place.

[Metallic36]

How will our places be set up, is there a particular order we're going to be running?



Yep it's still open. I'm sending the $200 to Lethal tomorrow. We should have the $200 now, in which case the $20 deposits will now be used to guarantee a spot rather than purely making sure the meet goes ahead. If not, then it will go towards the $200 deposit as well as ensuring your place.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Everyone who's deposited gets first run and I suppose it will be a matter of first come first serve for everyone else. For those that deposited I guess it will try and be done in the order they paid but if someone's there and no one else is then their not going to be made wait.

[N3v]

you got monies.

sweet, glad to see taylor is showing up. we can discuss the finer aspects of individual induction, things you single throttle body people wouldn't understand :gent:

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Cool, updated!

[Doppelgänger]

I need to figure out why im getting a little misfire lately....might be time for new plugs...

[FooSchnickens]

Excellent, I'l pp you the monies when I deposit el paycheck tomorrow.

I hope I'll have my new header by then as well...

[scandmx5]

just curious, and with sincerity
is beer "bringable" to this meet?
it always was @ Volvo meets lol

[Metallic36]

Can I "sell" my spot? I got my car completed now, but my clutch isn't able to handle all the power and is slipping. I can't dyno until I upgrade my clutch, I did pay the $20, but I definitely won't be able to do the dyno now. Didn't know if someone would want to reimburse me for my spot, or something, I dunno.

[ben91]

I need to figure out why im getting a little misfire lately....might be time for new plugs...
i have a known good 01+ coil and wire set.

[FooSchnickens]

Can I "sell" my spot? I got my car completed now, but my clutch isn't able to handle all the power and is slipping. I can't dyno until I upgrade my clutch, I did pay the $20, but I definitely won't be able to do the dyno now. Didn't know if someone would want to reimburse me for my spot, or something, I dunno.

Shoot me your paypal addy and I'll "reimburse" you.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Cool cool.

[Metallic36]

PM sent, thank you!!

The next Dyno Day.. definitely! :o My clutch is slipping when I go into higher boost, so I'd like to get that fixed first so I can be certain of my power :D Just got it back from the shop today, and yesterday was when they mentioned I may want to pick up a Stage 3 ;)

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

You could still come out and meet everyone if your car can make it far enough. (hmmm we need a "cool" smiley)

[scandmx5]

Amigo Taxi FTW!!!

[FooSchnickens]

Hey Ben, are you gonna be there? I'd love to pick your brain about your COPs while we watch people blow up on the dyno.

I'm pretty sure my coilpack is on its way out and figured this would make a suitable replacement :P

[redrumracer]

Can I "sell" my spot? I got my car completed now, but my clutch isn't able to handle all the power and is slipping. I can't dyno until I upgrade my clutch, I did pay the $20, but I definitely won't be able to do the dyno now. Didn't know if someone would want to reimburse me for my spot, or something, I dunno.

my clutch slips sometimes and sometimes it doesnt, im hoping it doesnt slip on the dyno day. guess ill find out

[Hari]

Deposit sent! :)

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Thanks man!

[Metallic36]

Yeah, mine slips pretty bad when I really ask it for the power and boost, so I'm just gonna stay on the safe side and wait until I upgrade my clutch.. I have a Stage 1 right now, and I'll be going to a Stage 3+.

my clutch slips sometimes and sometimes it doesnt, im hoping it doesnt slip on the dyno day. guess ill find out

[redrumracer]

Yeah, mine slips pretty bad when I really ask it for the power and boost, so I'm just gonna stay on the safe side and wait until I upgrade my clutch.. I have a Stage 1 right now, and I'll be going to a Stage 3+.

I have a new clutch and trans coming in soon, but I dont think I'll have it on in time. Just not sure how good of a reading I will get with it slipping.

[FE3tMX5]

my extinguisher is behind the pax seat ;)
JK3I-g-3Yps

[FooSchnickens]

Slightly off topic, but how did passenger become known as pax?

[redrumracer]

Slightly off topic, but how did passenger become known as pax?

idk how did weather come to be WX and maintenance become MX in the aviation industry?

[FE3tMX5]

I think it's origins are from signing one's name as X. Like Xmas and "don't ax me". Thx.

[MoD_Scotty]

So, it's looking like the Mirage won't be ready in time. But on a positive note, the Mazdaspeed3 will probably have some mods! So at least I won't be dynoing a totally stock car!

[redrumracer]

My clutch is hating me even more everyday.

[LagunaRoadster]

I'll be there in something completely different if all goes to plan. (Eric, Steve, LB - Shhhhh!! ;) )

[RotorNutFD3S]

yes sir... might want to pass that on to Steve and LB too... they heard.

[LagunaRoadster]

yes sir... might want to pass that on to Steve and LB too... they heard.
fixed.

[Sawyer]

Your secret is safe with us! :)

[LagunaRoadster]

Your secret is safe with us! :)

hehehe, thanks!

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

How early do you guys wanna be there? I think 10am for all you long distance travellers. I'll be there early of course so don't be worried if you'll be there before then.

[RotorNutFD3S]

I have no clue. I'll probably get there a little early as well.

[FooSchnickens]

Oh yeah, that's this weekend :lol:

Guess I'll have the bike rack on the car in preparation for bike polo downtown :D

[darknessprevails]

how late will we be there might end up makeing it around 1 or so depends on buddys work hours if i am gonna wait on him or not.

[FooSchnickens]

Well each run will probably take about 30 minutes at least (taking into account for setup, three runs, and unstrapping everything) and we have about 10 people in line so far, so we should at least be there until noon.

[Sawyer]

But people will most likely hang around and talk after.

[RotorNutFD3S]

Well each run will probably take about 30 minutes at least (taking into account for setup, three runs, and unstrapping everything) and we have about 10 people in line so far, so we should at least be there until noon.

If not longer, 10 people would take 5 hours based on your time estimate, meaning at least 3pm if we get started at our targeted 10am.

[FE3tMX5]

Plus lower power cars take longer to dyno :lol:

[jester911]

I have no need for a dyno on a stock 1.6 with 146k but I may stop buy and check it out.
Any excuse to get out on a 70 deg day with the top down.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

I have no need for a dyno on a stock 1.6 with 146k but I may stop buy and check it out.
Any excuse to get out on a 70 deg day with the top down.

Of course, it's a meet as much as a dyno day.

[redrumracer]

Looks like I'll be there but not dyno'ing, clutch wants to slip during full throttle pulls from low rpms.

[ftjandra]

Looks like I'll be there but not dyno'ing, clutch wants to slip during full throttle pulls from low rpms.I could take your spot, or reimburse your deposit and move to the end of the queue. Whatever works.

--Ferdi

[redrumracer]

I could take your spot, or reimburese your deposit and move to the end of the queue. Whatever works.

--Ferdi

that'll work, what ever Jack wants to do to keep everything straight.

[ftjandra]

that'll work, what ever Jack wants to do to keep everything straight.That was fast...you quoted my mispelling of reimburse, which I fixed in like 5 seconds, lol. I could give you the $20 there since you said you are still coming, or I could paypal it to you right now. I should be easy to spot, I'll be the one with the Protege :).

Actually, I'd rather paypal you the money now in case we don't run into each other. I don't know yet how long I'll be staying.

--Ferdi

[redrumracer]

That was fast...you quoted my mispelling of reimburse, which I fixed in like 5 seconds, lol. I could give you the $20 there since you said you are still coming, or I could paypal it to you right now. I should be easy to spot, I'll be the one with the Protege :).

Actually, I'd rather paypal you the money now in case we don't run into each other. I don't know yet how long I'll be staying.

--Ferdi

pm'd

[ftjandra]

pm'dDone.

Thanks,
--Ferdi

[darknessprevails]

ok looks like well make it on time might try and catch a walk up dyno if its still open to walk ins

[N3v]

what happened to my post? i posted and it disappeared. Anyway, I was saying that I've been ill on and off for two weeks, I hope I'm feeling better by saturday morning or its a no-go for me. Is there a doctor on the forums? Healthcare for college students blows around here, all I can do is basically go to the hospital, which is a 5 hour wait. My fever has been treatable with ibuprofen but it doesn't seem like it's working too much anymore.

[LagunaRoadster]

sorry you don't feel well :-/

I'll be showing up maybe around 930-10ish, I think my dad may ride along and come watch, he got a kick out of my dyno-part-1 day.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

redrum and ftjandra did you too manage to sort yourselves out ok?

Hope you get better Nev, would like to see your car on the dyno... or at least hear it. Who knows, maybe a relaxing drive, some good music, fresh air and top down cruising is what the doctor ordered? :D

[redrumracer]

redrum and ftjandra did you too manage to sort yourselves out ok?

Hope you get better Nev, would like to see your car on the dyno... or at least hear it. Who knows, maybe a relaxing drive, some good music, fresh air and top down cruising is what the doctor ordered? :D

yea he is taking my place, you keep the deposit i sent and he sent me my deposit back.

[FE3tMX5]

I'm sick too, but I'm wearing a bucket (and air freshener) around my neck and going anyway. The good thing about a dyno day is there's not much work/effort required besides driving there and pressing the pedal. :D

[MoD_Scotty]

The MS3 now has intake and catback...so at least it'll sound badass while it's on the dyno! Hopefully it'll look a little better too...

[FooSchnickens]

what happened to my post? i posted and it disappeared. Anyway, I was saying that I've been ill on and off for two weeks, I hope I'm feeling better by saturday morning or its a no-go for me. Is there a doctor on the forums? Healthcare for college students blows around here, all I can do is basically go to the hospital, which is a 5 hour wait. My fever has been treatable with ibuprofen but it doesn't seem like it's working too much anymore.

Noooooooooo i'll be all alone :lol:

[nickt93]

Damn...I might have to give up my spot. I'm having an issue with boost control - I can't get my wastegate to boost any less than 15psi - and I don't want to blow up my engine. I'm going to work on it tonight and hopefully get everything resolved.

Jack - what are my options here? Do I need to sell my spot? Or, so I forfeit my $20? Or do we already have enough cars and its no big deal?

I'll let you know ASAP whether I can run or not.

[matredd]

That sucks. I hope you get that resolved man. That car has some power.

[ben91]

what's wrong w 15 psi? I ran mine at 17 for a year. just tune competently.

[FE3tMX5]

Nick - isn't this the same issue you had with the other/old WG actuator? What did FM say the base is on the new one you're using?

How's the arm adjusted? You need to make sure that it's fully opening the flapper valve (extending the valve arm all the way). That old actuator you gave me wouldn't boost over 10psi on my car - and it didn't get there until 7000rpm because that 10psi opening spread.

Is it peaking at 15psi? rising to 15psi? rising after peaking at 15psi?

[nickt93]

what's wrong w 15 psi? I ran mine at 17 for a year. just tune competently.

I don't know that I'm a competent tuner yet. If tuning was Mike Tyson's Punch Out, I'm probably at the Glass Joe level...nowhere near ready for Tyson.

I'm mostly relying on auto tune to do the work for me, and I just got a modified map back from FM that has been massaged a bit. FM recommends ~12 psi, so I wanted to stay within that target.

Nick - isn't this the same issue you had with the other/old WG actuator? What did FM say the base is on the new one you're using?

How's the arm adjusted? You need to make sure that it's fully opening the flapper valve (extending the valve arm all the way). That old actuator you gave me wouldn't boost over 10psi on my car - and it didn't get there until 7000rpm because that 10psi opening spread.

Is it peaking at 15psi? rising to 15psi? rising after peaking at 15psi?

Rob - you are right; it's the same issue. The new wastegate seemed to fix the issue (I was boosting right around 12-13 psi), but I swapped my cat for a test pipe and now I'm hitting 15 psi. That makes me think two things: 1) that it wasn't boost control keeping it at 12psi; instead that was just the new WG base boost, and 2) that whatever issue I had before wasn't with the WG; maybe the boost solenoid is leaking?

The arm on the actuator has about "one hole" worth of pre-load. I tried bending the bracket a little to take some of the pre-load out, but without too much effect.

As for the 15psi, it seems to slowly climb up to 15. I've been letting off the gas at that point since it exceeds my boost target.

When I get home I'm going to try running the hose directly from the turbo to the wastegate actuator to see if that changes the base boost. I might also throw the cat back on to cork it up a little bit and lower the boost.

Thanks for the help guys.

[FE3tMX5]

I didn't realize you were running EBC. You have to tune it from the default settings- has that been done? Are you running closed or open loop?

I don't know how much EBC tuning you've done, but here's some more info:
If you're holding at 12psi for a bit and the rising, raise zone 600 (WGsp O) a few points at a time, checking for changes. If you're your passing 12psi immediately, then lower zone 12 (WGsns).

It took me a while to tune mine, but it was a custom application. And I have yet to tune it for your old actuator after numerous datalogs. But in your case, it should be the best case scenario since you're running an FM kit. We could also mess with this tomorrow and you could dyno later if you want. And another (temporary) option is open loop - but that's going to produce different results with different conditions.

[FooSchnickens]

Hot piss, my header came in this afternoon. Time to slap it on :banana:

[FE3tMX5]

be sure you clock out first :lol:

[MoD_Scotty]

Sounds like there is a boost creep issue. If nothing changed in your setup on the vacuum side (turbo, vacuum lines, wastegate, boost controller, etc), but you suddenly are boosting too much after an exhaust upgrade, it seems to me that not enough flow is going through the open wastegate....aka boost creep. Might need to revert to the previous setup until you can either:

1) port the area around the wastegate flapper enough so that air will flow better through it
2) start saving for an external wastegate setup.

Personally, I'd put the cat back on and see if it goes back to controllable boost levels.

[FooSchnickens]

be sure you clock out first :lol:

Nuts to that. I did it in between oil changes :P

Thing sounds awesome. Really deepened the already deep sounding Shotgun.

Need to tweak the fuel maps again, she's leaned out a bit too much for my taste, but it looks like I've got a pretty ideal highway cruising map now :)

[jester911]

So when is the official start time for this thing?

[N3v]

don't worry foo, its looking like i'm gonna make it and we can compare air horn lengths. :naughty:

[ben91]

I don't know that I'm a competent tuner yet. If tuning was Mike Tyson's Punch Out, I'm probably at the Glass Joe level...nowhere near ready for Tyson.

I'm mostly relying on auto tune to do the work for me, and I just got a modified map back from FM that has been massaged a bit. FM recommends ~12 psi, so I wanted to stay within that target.



Rob - you are right; it's the same issue. The new wastegate seemed to fix the issue (I was boosting right around 12-13 psi), but I swapped my cat for a test pipe and now I'm hitting 15 psi. That makes me think two things: 1) that it wasn't boost control keeping it at 12psi; instead that was just the new WG base boost, and 2) that whatever issue I had before wasn't with the WG; maybe the boost solenoid is leaking?

The arm on the actuator has about "one hole" worth of pre-load. I tried bending the bracket a little to take some of the pre-load out, but without too much effect.

As for the 15psi, it seems to slowly climb up to 15. I've been letting off the gas at that point since it exceeds my boost target.

When I get home I'm going to try running the hose directly from the turbo to the wastegate actuator to see if that changes the base boost. I might also throw the cat back on to cork it up a little bit and lower the boost.

Thanks for the help guys.OK, now that starts to make sense. You are making more boost with your previous EBC settings because you have drastacally reduced pressure in your exhaust. The reason why the turbo works is due to pressure differential between the front and back of the turbine. The greater this delta, the more able the compressor will be at packing air into the motor.

What you're going to need to do is dial back EBC duty cycle. Link closed loop EBC is a pita. I'd just go straight to the open loop and you'll need to fudge in the duty cycle numbers until you hold what you want.

Or just get a MBC.

[N3v]

sorry i couldn't make it.. i had a variety of issues today :E

[jester911]

Good turnout guys.:clap:

[Sawyer]

Nice to meet everyone!

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Had a good time today, kinda indifferent about the whopping 80hp I put down though!

[ftjandra]

Sure was a looooong day, but it was nice meeting everybody!

--Ferdi

[RotorNutFD3S]

Just got home... Great turnout!

[redrumracer]

how long did yall stay there for everyone to get dyno'd

[scandmx5]

Ftjandra FTW! nice meeting you all.

[darknessprevails]

Was a Lil upset with the place as a business. Lil slow and on top of the dyno reading a Lil off. Just would expect a Lil more out off such a busniss I heard such good of but the event over all was asome good to meet everyone and see all the miatas and ppl had a blast hope we have another meet soon

[FooSchnickens]

Too bad the drive up sucked, but the meet was pretty good.

Pics forthcoming once I get some sleep. I'm pooped. -_-

[MoD_Scotty]

Good times fo sho. It was a long day, but at least the guys working the dyno were cool. I really liked how laid back everyone was.

MAD props to Ftjandra for the best dyno of the day. Definitely my kind of car.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Good times fo sho. It was a long day, but at least the guys working the dyno were cool. I really liked how laid back everyone was.

Part of the reason I picked these guys out. I've had nothing but enjoyable experiences when I've been in touch with them. I've not been to many tuning places that are as relaxed as this one. A lot of the time I feel as if they try and speak down to you, these guys were top notch.

[RotorNutFD3S]

how long did yall stay there for everyone to get dyno'd

Mike, LB, Rob, and I were the last ones to leave. That was at 7:30, and Rob's car was the last to dyno.

And yes, these guys were great hosts. Turns out one of them is someone I've known for a while, didn't know he had started working there. Small world in the modification front. Had some really interesting projects going on too.

[BFH miata]

so where are all the dyno numbers? I'm curious...

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

I made 80whp with a stockish 96, to give you an idea of how low it reads. I think they're meant to be emailing out the numbers early this week.

[nickt93]

186hp/181 torque for me

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Damn that is a low reading. We'll have to have a make yourself feel good day with a dynojet next time :lol:

[MeFryRice]

I heard they used a Mustang Dyno. Crappy choice.

[RotorNutFD3S]

Not really. Mustang dynos (when loaded properly, which I think this one may not have been) will give you the numbers that you're putting down on the street, as the pavement is resisting the power that your car is making. Dynojets are almost resistance free and are better for higher numbers to brag with. I like having both.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Not really. Mustang dynos (when loaded properly, which I think this one may not have been) will give you the numbers that you're putting down on the street, as the pavement is resisting the power that your car is making. Dynojets are almost resistance free and are better for higher numbers to brag with. I like having both.

Yup, that's how I feel. Although 80 does seem pretty damn low for a car with 135 crank. But hey it's just a number, and my car still feels pretty damn fun on the roads.

It just makes me think of how fast casey's old 240 was when he broke 220 on that dyno.

[scandmx5]

just curious...what did the red NC pull at the end of the night? I was outside, the car was on there for an hour it seemed

[wantboost]

the car was on there for an hour it seemed

there were a couple of those..... lol (and it didnt have anything to do with the shop)

[ben91]

Honestly the dyno operator seemed to know his stuff. I don't think he had it set wrong at all. Mustangs read low, that's all. Also, my car looks like it was making boost exactly the same on the dyno as it does on the street. My silver car never made as much boost on any dyno it was on as it did on the street. Never put it on a mustang though (I would have if I knew where one was).

Make comparisons between the different cars and all the numbers work out (ex: my car made 2.4X Jack's car which is exactly where it should be)

[silver280zx]

The guys were super nice and were laid back, but id have to say the dyno was a little low, like it had too much resistance on the rollers, for example, im sure everyone remembers my like 2 minute pull in 4th gear. my 4th gear tops at 140mph at 6400rpm, ive personally taken it there, with wind resistance. On my 4th gear pull it wouldnt go past 5000rpm with no wind resistance. so....idk, but anyway i put down 118whp@5600rpm and 129wtq@4400rpm.

[redrumracer]

Honestly the dyno operator seemed to know his stuff. I don't think he had it set wrong at all. Mustangs read low, that's all. Also, my car looks like it was making boost exactly the same on the dyno as it does on the street. My silver car never made as much boost on any dyno it was on as it did on the street. Never put it on a mustang though (I would have if I knew where one was).

Make comparisons between the different cars and all the numbers work out (ex: my car made 2.4X Jack's car which is exactly where it should be)

yea i kinda was thinking the same thing as you.

[redrumracer]

The guys were super nice and were laid back, but id have to say the dyno was a little low, like it had too much resistance on the rollers, for example, im sure everyone remembers my like 2 minute pull in 4th gear. my 4th gear tops at 140mph at 6400rpm, ive personally taken it there, with wind resistance. On my 4th gear pull it wouldnt go past 5000rpm with no wind resistance. so....idk, but anyway i put down 118whp@5600rpm and 129wtq@4400rpm.

that particular type of dyno isnt free rolling, it adds resistance based on your vehicles factory specs to simulate real life situations.

[caseyfoster]

It reads low, simple as that. Just think on the bright side when you put your car on a dyno jet, it will increase the size of your penis by 2-3 inches. lol jk

[FooSchnickens]

I gotta get to Arthur's, then....

[silver280zx]

that particular type of dyno isnt free rolling, it adds resistance based on your vehicles factory specs to simulate real life situations.

lol, ya its supposed to, but it put more resistance than it actually has in real life even with wind resistance. oh well, the numbers werent too bad though, and the guys were real chill, ya i vote for a dynojet day, lol

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

The guys were super nice and were laid back, but id have to say the dyno was a little low, like it had too much resistance on the rollers, for example, im sure everyone remembers my like 2 minute pull in 4th gear. my 4th gear tops at 140mph at 6400rpm, ive personally taken it there, with wind resistance. On my 4th gear pull it wouldnt go past 5000rpm with no wind resistance. so....idk, but anyway i put down 118whp@5600rpm and 129wtq@4400rpm.

I don't think it had enough power to go beyond it any time soon.

[caseyfoster]

Not enough POWA?
It has OVER 9000!!!!

[Doppelgänger]

Yeah, mine too. When they did mine in 5th, it couldn't otp out on the dyno, but I later tested this theory out (Eric as my witness) that I had no problem reaching 5th gear redline with actual real life wind resistance.

Oh, BTW, for everyone who saw my lovely 11:1 AFR and jerky dyno pull. I loaded up an old map and the car is running FAR better. My dumbass should have brought the laptop. I will from now on though!

[RotorNutFD3S]

:facepalm: We're dummies, you realize that right? :lol:

[Doppelgänger]

For doing what?

[RotorNutFD3S]

For not trying that to start with. But come to think of it, when did you change your map anyway?!

[Doppelgänger]

I didn't change it. I'm thinking the maybe the WBo2 was slowly deteriorating and the autotune slowly changed the map?

Will the Hydra be able to safely fuel the car off the NBo2 under WOT? It felt fine...
But I still need to figure out what is wrong with the WB.

[JDM88]

What type of wb was it? Fouled sensor from the heat?

[Doppelgänger]

It's a NTK L2H2. Don't think it's just fouled. I need to really check it out because after my car sat running on the dyno, I went to plug it back in and it was cold, which tells me the heater element in it isn't working. It could be unplugged? Won't know until later.

Oh Eric, the IAT is still reading fine :)

[RotorNutFD3S]

That's good to know. And your theory of autotune screwing up the map is probably right on the money. However, I still wouldn't trust the NBo2 for anything other than idling, but I think that's all the Hydra uses it for, is out-of-boost operations. I'm still betting on the wires getting kinked where it comes in through the shifter turret and messing something up.

[wildfire0310]

the autotune would make a good bit of sense.

I say follow the wires back and see if they got damage or if they are unhooked. If that leads to nothing then I would try and find someone(Stephen) with a working Hydra wideband to see if your is dead. If neither fixes your problem then you no it something with the Hydra.

[FE3tMX5]

Mike- if you have "closed loop" OFF then it shouldn't mess with your current map- except for usual running conditions like air temp etc. You don't need the wb for anything but tuning- they used to remove them after tuning to save on wear and tear.

I had a great time. Derek was very accommodating- his point was for everybody to have fun and relax. I'm sure he'd sped things up if somebody asked. The only real time eater was the lack of the ign pickup requiring a rolling rpm calibration. But that might have been an hour loss tops. Oh- and only two floor jacks in the shop. :lol:

I still have to figure out why my power curves are so different from the dyno jet which shows big power fall off up top. I did go through my logs and noticed that I was running an average of 13.8psi (13 target creep to 14.5) vs. the 16 I thought I was running. Not sure why since that's what the gauge showed on the morning drive over- otherwise I would've adjusted it. Did anybody else notice their boost levels on pull vs. what they normally see?

[MoD_Scotty]

I realized on the way home that we should have dyno'd the MS3 in 5th gear instead of 4th, because it's a little closer to 1:1. Probably could have picked up a couple more hp :(

[ben91]

I didn't change it. I'm thinking the maybe the WBo2 was slowly deteriorating and the autotune slowly changed the map?

Will the Hydra be able to safely fuel the car off the NBo2 under WOT? It felt fine...
But I still need to figure out what is wrong with the WB.
Like I told you yesterday, since you've been tuned on the dyno, you shoudl not be allowing the wb to do anything to change your fuel map. Plus you should never run closed loop in boost. EGO correction is only for cruising.

[Atlanta93LE]

Sorry I missed coming out Saturday; sounds like you guys had a good time. I ran into some trouble with my new (to me) IC setup. Anybody near Marietta have welding skills for a quick repair? :biggrin:

[Hari]

just curious...what did the red NC pull at the end of the night? I was outside, the car was on there for an hour it seemed

I made 121hp/118tq. :) I don't mind the Mustang dyno, but I can't use those numbers to compare to everyone else who uses Dynojet of course.

Oh and far as my car being on there so long. The first two pulls were quick, but then the operator took a break. I actually should have just done the two and left because I was late for a dinner already.

[FE3tMX5]

Ben - I'm closer to Marietta than FL. ;)

Hari- using Mustang numbers is easy. Just get the other person to reveals their's first, then give them something higher. :lol:

[MoD_Scotty]

That's why I challenge people to fuel pressure duels. They'll never win because the direct injection setup on the MZR engine uses like 1500psi! Or in the Mirage's heyday, I'd see who had the highest hp/liter. With a 1.6L making 215whp, I could usually crush all those fools with V8s. At least, on paper!

[Doppelgänger]

Alrighty, I'll re-load the map again and turn off the autotune function until I buy a new WBO2 (that's a whole new story..trying to find a good deal on a new WBO2 that I can use without having to pay FM $275 for a replacement)

[ben91]

NGK L2H2, found in many Hon-Duhs