How nice of Bill...

[Beastinthebushes]

http://news.yahoo.com/bill-clinton-makes-big-gesture-at-shanksville-memorial--.html

Donors have contributed $52 million to build the Flight 93 National Memorial in Shanksville, Pa., but $10 million is still needed. Former President Bill Clinton declared Saturday that he and Speaker of the House John Boehner are going to do something about that.

“Since I am no longer in office, I can do unpopular things,” Clinton declared at the end of his remarks at Saturday’s dedication ceremony.

“I told the Secretary of the Interior, the head of your development program, that I was aghast to find out we still need to raise $10 million to finish this place. And Speaker Boehner and I have already volunteered to do a bipartisan event in Washington and let’s get this show on the road. Let’s roll.”

Now, I have nothing against the people aboard that unfortunate flight, nor do I have a problem with a memorial being built. It was a tragic event, and the innocent lives should be remembered. HOWEVER, I do have a problem with the fact of how much they want this memorial to cost. It may just be me, but I feel like $63 million dollars is a ludicrous amount for such a thing, and I also feel like $63 million dollars could go to better things, such as helping fix up the damage from hurricane Katrina from years ago. etc.

Am I the only one who sees something wrong with this?

[theothersawyer]

$63 million dollars is an absolutely ridiculous amount and especially since we are $13 trillion in debt. If you were in debt or didn't have much money wouldn't you be cutting cost and eating hotdogs and ramen noodles all the time?

Although I do have sympathy for all of those lost in that flight and the other flights, but $63 million is insane.

[lazybones]

You know why it costs so much? Because the government feels guilty about shooting that plane down and lying about it :)

[epilonious]

13,000,000,000,000 = 13 trillion.
63,000,000 = 63 million.

But really, it's
10,000,000 = 10 million
that is being sought-out since 53 million has already been raised by private and corporate donors who felt the memorial was important enough.

I know it's a ton of money to you and me, but it's about the same amount to widen an interstate by one lane for a half mile in the middle of a nowhere... or a teensy drop in the bucket for what governments tend to spend.

Also, you get a memorial... one of the things that attracts tourists and would probably draw people to spend a bit of their vacation and some money on gas and a snack.

[theothersawyer]

13,000,000,000,000 = 13 trillion.
63,000,000 = 63 million.

I understand the difference between a trillion and a million. To really put it into perspective. http://www.dailycognition.com/index.php/2009/03/25/what-1-trillion-dollars-looks-like-in-dollar-bills.html

But anywho I still think its insane. Why don't they just get these "private and corporate donors" to help knock a few million dollars off of our national debt :)

You know why it costs so much? Because the government feels guilty about shooting that plane down and lying about it :)
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol:

[blk95r]

You know why it costs so much? Because the government feels guilty about shooting that plane down and lying about it :)

Wow. You think $63million is ridiculous, try comments from ignorant *******s. My hope is your family didn't lose anyone on that day.

BTW I do think that the memorial costs too much, however no amount of money comes close to the value of the lives lost.

If some of you haven't read it, there is a good article on Jalopnik about this.
http://jalopnik.com/5838696/this-woman-was-going-to-fly-her-jet-fighter-into-flight-93-on-911

[lazybones]

Wow. You think $63million is ridiculous, try comments from ignorant *******s. My hope is your family didn't lose anyone on that day.

BTW I do think that the memorial costs too much, however no amount of money comes close to the value of the lives lost.

If some of you haven't read it, there is a good article on Jalopnik about this.
http://jalopnik.com/5838696/this-woman-was-going-to-fly-her-jet-fighter-into-flight-93-on-911

What the hell? We're all on the same side here. I'm not making fun of the memorial, I'm making fun of the government covering up their ****ty lies. But sure, ok, call me an ignorant *****. Thanks little guy!

[Beastinthebushes]

Wow. You think $63million is ridiculous, try comments from ignorant *******s. My hope is your family didn't lose anyone on that day.

Yo dude, keep it on topic and it would be greatly appreciated if you kept the insults to yourself. It's highly unnecessary for stuff like that.

[Dr.Drew]

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[metalman]

First, I have zero use for retarded 9/11 conspiracy theories or their proponents.

Beyond that, IMO the most inspiring stories from that day are about firefighters who really dont HAVE to throw themselves into harms way but do it for the rest of us. But we could argue that doing so is really the job they are paid for. But NO one can say that about Flight 93. It is very inspiring to me that those brave citizen souls aboard Flight 93 in their resolve said "sorry azzhole ragheads, not today...we will not sit here and do nothing, we are taking this plane back"...and with their last words "Lets roll" rushed forward to make good on their resolve. They died saving others on the ground. They deserve to be well remembered.

[Beastinthebushes]

I agree completely about the memorial, and know that it will bring revenue to that state as well. But I just don't see how $63 million is necessary.

[metalman]

Is any amount 'necessary'? Where would the line be drawn?
In light of the billions we Americans waste on nonsense and entertainment I don't see it as any magic number. We could likely complain the same about nearly any historical monument.

Also, personally I would never even think to compare fools who are too stubborn or stupid to remove themselves from a toilet when its being flushed, or rich people who dont want to leave their beach houses in the face of nature's power, with citizens who bravely in deed and word stand against tyranny.

[bovaco]

Originally Posted by lazybones
You know why it costs so much? Because the government feels guilty about shooting that plane down and lying about it :)

I find it hard believe that this kind of thinking still goes on after 10 years but I guess it would be a boring if we all thought alike. I think this statement was in very poor taste but to high light it by adding a smiley face further emphasized the the lack of respect for those who gave their lives on 9-11. I agree that we don't have a perfect government but I don't see a better one any place else in this world.
Back to the point of this thread. This has become a very expensive memorial but how can anyone put a price tag on the lives that were lost on that flight. I find it Lucretius that anyone would dare to complain about the cost of this memorial.
God bless the people on flight 93 who had the intestinal fortitude to rush the cabin and save our Capital and many lives on the ground.

[eraser]

So to build a memorial that's gonna cost the tax payers 10m is wrong ( a majority off the cost has been covered by the evil
Private sector), but to spend 1trillion to stimulate nothing, and to build turtle tunnels was ok? Dude, I would like you to come to my station, or really any fire station, and discuss your feelings over the government conspiracies. Let me know how that goes for ya. Our counties future looks bleak with people like you at the helm.

[jvarble]

So to build a memorial that's gonna cost the tax payers 10m is wrong ( a majority off the cost has been covered by the evil
Private sector), but to spend 1trillion to stimulate nothing, and to build turtle tunnels was ok? Dude, I would like you to come to my station, or really any fire station, and discuss your feelings over the government conspiracies. Let me know how that goes for ya. Our counties future looks bleak with people like you at the helm.

+ 1, They don't have a clue.

[theothersawyer]

I understand why everyone is getting upset about what bones said, but REALLY? It was a joke and everyone just needs to relax. And I know that bones feels bad for all of those who lost their lives that day and that there is no dollar amount on someones life.

[scandmx5]

I understand why everyone is getting upset about what bones said, but REALLY? It was a joke and everyone just needs to relax. And I know that bones feels bad for all of those who lost their lives that day and that there is no dollar amount on someones life.

I don't think what she said was a joke, they were her feelings and POV of what happened. Most everyone knows bones, and she's surely not the type to laugh at the death of innocent people. Everyone has their own opinion.

As far as the conspiracy factor, I side with Kurt. When you have the fighter pilot who was ORDERED to shoot down that plane -say with tears in his eyes- that he didn't have to do it because the people on that flight took care of business themselves... that really throws the conspiracy thing out the door. (for me at least)

On topic, I don't know what kind of price tag a memorial deserves, like a few have said..what dollar amount is the line? It does seem very high for a memorial in a field in rural PA, but who the hell am I to say anything? I was sitting safely in auto tech class at Fayette County High School while these people were saying goodbyes to their families and fighting terrorists at 30,000 feet....take it for what it's worth.

RIP to the victims of that day
RIP to the heroes that were made that day
You will never be forgotten. May they all rest in peace, and their families comforted by loving memories of them.

[Dhump]

The Vietnam memorial cost about 8 million. The more recent example would be the WWII memorial, which cost around $175 million.

Is the cost in line? Maybe. The government paid out about $16 million for the WWII memorial, with the rest being raised by donations. $63 million is a hell of a lot of money, but I would be willing to bet a lot of that has to do with the fact that it is being built in the middle of an undeveloped area, which means new water lines, roadways, communication lines, etc.

How long is the project going to take? Cost of materials aside, people don't work for free. I certainly agree that spending is a problem, and believe that the remainder can be raised privately with a little effort, but I would much rather my taxes go towards a flight 93 memorial than about 95% of what it has been going towards.

Slick Willy should probably just butt out (as usual), or preferably, put his energy towards fund raising for the memorial, instead of lobbying for tax dollars. However you look at it, I think this memorial is one instance where the politicizing of the topic is best avoided. No matter how much our leaders suck, this is one thing that really would showcase American resolve. No matter how it comes into being, it is a good thing.

[theothersawyer]

but I would much rather my taxes go towards a flight 93 memorial than about 95% of what it has been going towards.


Good point! I never would have thought about it this way