RSpeed / Fortune coilovers [Archive] - MX5 Miata Atlanta Owners Club

oldgrayfrog

07-27-2011, 03:56 PM

Well I know that most of my cars exceed my driving ability, I am handicapped in many ways... yet I keep fiddling with my cars, and Kurt loves to point out how much I have spent over the years, I actually keep a journal with all the costs in and out as I swap and or sell parts. I hope my friends burn it in case of my untimely death. Anyways, for almost everyone on the thread, the new Fortunes will exceed our abilities. I want my car's suspension to be capable for that once in a blue moon trip to the track, and not beat me to death on the street. Hell, be better riding down the street than the OEM suspension was, which is why I'm still looking at the AFCOs, because while they are legitimate track capable coilovers, they were designed around fast road use. They are the only high end coilover that uses a rubber shock mount. I understand the reason for "pillowball" suspension, but I've had them, and I've had folks ask me how long I've been driving with my suspension broke. I hate the grating metal on metal sound of the pillowball. Maybe they've gotten better. I'm still on the fence about which way I'll go, may be that I keep the H&R's I have for a little bit. Knowing me, probably not. BTW Mark meet Kurt. You are both good guys. Now play nice ya' hear?

Georgia Cracker

07-27-2011, 03:56 PM

Used Bilsteins w/GC coilovers and the right top hats - hey, I resemble that remark. I hope I will get a chance to test yours back to back with mine and see how they feel.

mgeoffriau

07-27-2011, 04:05 PM

BTW Mark meet Kurt. You are both good guys. Now play nice ya' hear?

Kurt and I take..uh...differing views on what a good purchase does and does not entail.

For me personally, I've gotten my money's worth if I'm satisfied at the end of the day. Doesn't matter if I can take full advantage of a product (if that were my standard, then I should be shooting nothing but Hi-Points, riding nothing but Wal-Mart bikes, and playing nothing but Chinese made guitars, and yet somehow I've ended up with H&K P7's, custom handmade steelframed bikes, and concert classical guitars), just as long as it does what I want it to for the price I'm willing to pay. And while I can't imagine dropping $10k on a concert classical when I can spend $2k on one that rivals it in tone, volume, and playability, I don't begrudge the people that do spend $10k the right to do so. If they're happy at the end of the day, more power to them.

All that to say, I'm glad Kurt's new coilovers hit his "sweet spot" and I'll be curious to hear more reports as people install them.

metalman

07-27-2011, 04:23 PM

Some people need to pay more to 'feel' better. They think they are getting something better or a real benefit when often they are not, or only marginally so.
At some point there is no real advantage.
I could care less about such foolishness.
I also find it crazy that people 'sell' ideas/products without any testing of those products of their own. They are seemingly nothing more than mocking birds echoing their favorite vendors blather, repeating what they heard, and so on.
Mgeoffriau's first post in this thread seems like nothing more that that to me. ;)

Be that as it may, this thread was SUPPOSED to be reporting the impressions about RSpeed's Fortune Auto coil overs. I could give two sheits about Xida. I am not testing those here, nor am I doing a comparison. Frankly I have no use for $2k suspension systems on street Miatas as I firmly believe maximum potential for most people can be had for far less. There are too many much cheaper options that will do the job.

On that note, am just back from another tweak and test drive.
Current settings: 12" R, 11 1/2" F (ride height center of wheel to lip)
2/3's (20 clicks) on all four corners.
Car is much more predictable than previous setup. Firmer and flatter through corners.
Noticeably less body roll. Ride quality is good.
In fairness the Koni/GC setup would have been greatly improved in the ride quality
and handling too with a different top hat/bump stop setup. I know a higher spring rate would have been better for those as well. They can work very well when set up correctly.

metalman

07-27-2011, 04:24 PM

Used Bilsteins w/GC coilovers and the right top hats - hey, I resemble that remark.

Yes, and thats a very capable setup too. :)

jester911

07-27-2011, 04:28 PM

Kurt there you go being crotchety again. Did you forget your meds again?:D

FE3tMX5

07-27-2011, 04:30 PM

And some people refuse to pay more when they should. :lol:

metalman

07-27-2011, 04:31 PM

Kurt there you go being crotchety again. Did you forget your meds again?:D
Dave wont share his. :lol:

mgeoffriau

07-27-2011, 04:31 PM

I sure am sorry if anyone thought that saying I'd possibly like a set of Xida's in the future was a sales pitch. :rolleyes:

metalman

07-27-2011, 04:31 PM

And some people refuse to pay more when they should. :lol:

Also true. :D

nickt93

07-27-2011, 04:41 PM

Glad to hear these are working out nicely - keep us posted!

Cleaned up the thread a little bit to keep it on topic.

metalman

07-27-2011, 05:07 PM

To add to this story, some of my reason's for buying this setup:

1. My Koni/GC setup needed upgrades to be where it needed to be to be suitable in both ride quality and handling.

2. The cost of those upgrades would range from $350-600 depending on the specific options chosen.

3. I was able to sell my old setup at a very decent price and add a more reasonable amount for a plug and play solution that has design features that appeal to me.

4. Cost to benefit ratio - see above. :) My silver car is a FREE car, built from a rescued vehicle, leftovers and parts found, saved, scrounged, and sweat equity. Although it does have some 'expensive' parts on it almost none of them were acquired at retail. Even my previous suspension was acquired FREE. :) Any mods to it are going to be to my tastes, not a fad, and MUST be reasonably priced/acquired. The Fortunes were MORE than reasonable in price. Thank you RSpeed. ;)

5. Manufacturer reputation. Although not a multi decade player Fortunes products seem to be well rec'd and successful in other makes and models. If you need rebuild or other services you are dealing with a US company in VA, not some gibberish speaking doosh in the peoples republic of azzsmakastan.

6. Vendor reputation. I have done business with RSpeed going back well more than a decade. I have never been unsatisfied with any product purchased there. Based upon my personal experience there and knowledge of how those guys do biz, I am 2000% positive IF I were unsatisfied those guys would bend over backward to make me happy.
I am also aware that they have personally tested these coil overs for quite some time.

7. Local vendor. I do business with those who do business with me, in MY area/region, whenever possible. I prefer doing biz with private owner operator establishments. What goes around comes around. ;)

metalman

07-27-2011, 05:18 PM

Oh yeah, almost forgot...

8. I dont have access to OGF's drugs or bank account. :lol:

oldgrayfrog

07-27-2011, 05:32 PM

Agreed on points 4-7 entirely. I can't really speak to why you were ready for a change. We all know that you've got your own system of value when it comes to parts, and that you've parted better than most of our rides:lol:

I can't say enough about the level of trust I put in Hector and Joseph and the crew at RSpeed. Joseph has more than earned my business and loyalty.

I became more aware on my trip down from NYC, that adjustability was in fact an important factor for me. With the AGX on GCs turned full stiff, it was a ride from hell, a few clicks later, and order was restored to my world. In a previous trip, I had the opportunity to suffer with a set of Spax, and when they were swapped with the Bilstein/GC I began to enjoy the Italia. i haven't yet driven the RS with the H&Rs installed but had much the same suspension setup in the 99 and found it really great on the road.

It occurs to me that a setup that works well on battered ATL streets may not be as well suited for the track. The MOAB was set on Road Course kill, and the kid was winning trophy's with it set to where it would break my spine.

Is there a suspension setup that will do both equally well? I doubt it, but you must then be realistic with your goals for your car. If you are staying within the build specs of a particular race sanctioned group, your choices are made for you, but if you are calling the shots completely, I think you would be best served to be honest with yourself about where the car will be driven.

If it's a track car, bring on the Motons and Xidas with remote resevoirs and 59 settings in compression and rebound, but you'll be miserable if this car is your daily driver, and it breaks all the eggs on the way home from the market. I think a kinder gentler suspension might well serve most. I think Joe mentions in the website description that these are available with lots of custom spring rates up to something UnGodly like 14k? Thanks I'll stay with the 6k front and 4k rears I think, with the height at 12.5 rear and 12" front, 'cause I fear the speed bump.

BTW Kurt, on the Meds...You never asked. How do you know I won't share? Oh that's right, your not a hot chick, sorry, you're right I won't share:)

oldgrayfrog

07-27-2011, 05:33 PM

Damn, and I hadn't even seen #8 yet!

metalman

07-27-2011, 05:40 PM

AI think Joe mentions in the website description that these are available with lots of custom spring rates up to something UnGodly like 14k? Thanks I'll stay with the 6k front and 4k rears I think, with the height at 12.5 rear and 12" front, 'cause I fear the speed bump.

It would be fun to play with some different springs on these shocks and find the sweet spot. But alas, I am too lazy to swap them out all the time. :lol:
Who knows, in the future I may pick up some other springs from RSpeed and give it a try.

friday

07-27-2011, 07:14 PM

Do the higher spring rates require revalveing?

metalman

07-27-2011, 08:31 PM

Do the higher spring rates require revalveing?

Good question, and not one I know the definitive answer to.
Check with RSpeed Joe.

atlnb

07-27-2011, 08:37 PM

I wonder how these ride in comparison to the Tein Flex. Joyride?

metalman

07-27-2011, 09:01 PM

I wonder how these ride in comparison to the Tein Flex.

I suppose you would need to compare setups with similar spring rates.
At least one or two people on this forum have a Flex setup. Not sure what spring rates they're running.

blk95r

07-27-2011, 10:24 PM

I suppose you would need to compare setups with similar spring rates.
At least one or two people on this forum have a Flex setup. Not sure what spring rates they're running.
I run Tein Flex, 7kg front, 6kg rear. I looked up my info from the instructions since our last conversation Kurt. That and I don't mind the pillowball mount, don't notice any noise either. Anyone wants to drive it is welcome to, I put about 1,500 miles a year on it so the ride doesn't bother me.

Back on topic, I'd be curious to hear the review a year from now and see how they're holding up. Nothing against them, but any part I put on my car that expensive better hold up over time.

BTW I do also like "support your local guy" mentality.

jester911

07-28-2011, 06:21 AM

Do the higher spring rates require revalveing?

That question is a little vague. A small increase would probably be fine but there has to be a certain range the shocks are valved for. That range should be easy to get from the vendor or manufacturer.

friday

07-28-2011, 10:41 AM

I am thinking 10k or 12k front spring. most in the rear would be 8k

metalman

07-28-2011, 10:49 AM

Call 678-290-7504 and talk to Joe.

On their site it only shows options to 8kg front 6kg rear.
But call them, dont make assumptions. :)

mgeoffriau

07-28-2011, 10:57 AM

Kurt, have you noticed any bounciness over bumps, or pogo-ing over bigger road undulations? I didn't mind the high spring rates on my Bilstein setup, and I had plenty of compression and rebound travel, but the rear end was bouncy over rough roads (mostly because the rear shocks were not revalved and weren't quite up to handling the 350# spring rate).

metalman

07-28-2011, 11:02 AM

Kurt, have you noticed any bounciness over bumps, or pogo-ing over bigger road undulations?

No I havent at all. Obviously more seat time is needed but so far they seem very stable.
Nothing bouncy at all.
They also feel to me to be more 'rigid' then the lb spring rates would indicate as well.
I will play with clicker adjustment settings to find the sweet spot for me too.
At this moment I am awaiting new tires and an alignment before too much further
driving.

metalman

07-29-2011, 05:18 PM

Dunlop Direzza 101's installed, alignment back to spec. Such an improvement.
Feels like a 'new' car.
Now on to more seat time on the new coil overs. :)

Stealth97

07-29-2011, 06:40 PM

Dunlop Direzza 101's installed

The 101's are awesome. I can just barely break them loose if I try really, really hard if its dry out. If its wet then its spin city! In the dry they are better than T1R's, IMO.

metalman

07-31-2011, 10:06 AM

The new suspension passed a very important test last night....The WIFE Test. :)
We went for a night time cruise on the twisties near my place and she was really happy with the improved ride. She actually likes riding in that car now. She still complains some about my retro seats but those are staying. I told her there is no way I am selling them to oldpartshog...errrrr...uhhh...I mean oldgrayfrog. :D

LagunaRoadster

07-31-2011, 10:51 AM

The fortunes did great at the dragons tail yesterday!

lance

07-31-2011, 11:50 AM

The fortunes did great at the dragons tail yesterday!

Was it crowded up there? I was half tempted to drive up, but got involved in cleaning my garage.

epilonious

07-31-2011, 12:13 PM

Was it crowded up there? I was half tempted to drive up, but got involved in cleaning my garage.

Pics or it didn't happen ;)

oldgrayfrog

07-31-2011, 12:27 PM

I wish I could get up there and out of this heat. Sold MOAB to Mgeoffriau on Saturday, I am without a running roadster again:( Glad to hear that the coilovers are meeting expectations Stephen. How were they in transitions? At the Dragon, I could see where a suspension could get upset very easily, if it didn't settle quickly between turns. What if any sway bars are you using as well?

iscariot

07-31-2011, 12:56 PM

I installed mine last night - I was initially unhappy to find that the shock length looks very similar to my vmaxx's - and this is with the shock height adjustment threaded just 1 single turn (aka, maximum height but not safe).

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-joivvtoGDeI/TjTkanWgA5I/AAAAAAAAHso/JYbbNd6joEc/s800/IMG_20110731_003217.jpg

So I decided to help my situation by using the FM shock spacer ( http://www.flyinmiata.com/index.php?deptid=4537&parentid=0&stocknumber=13-59000 ) since, more than anything - I *want* ride height.

So - maybe we should start a thread with settings? I'm at 6 1/4 (from top of spring in shock to bottom of spring in shock) spring height on 6/5 springs, 12 turns in ride height - with the shock spacer - giving me 15 inches full droop (wheel arch to center of hub) and 13 1/2 on the ground.

This makes me happy - I finally have my fist-and-a-thumb-knuckle of ride height again! no more scraping! I set the shocks to 15 and took a quick spin - car was predictable, not too harsh. Long sweepers had a something to be desired, but I think thats probably because my alignment geometry is now off / I'm still running stock swaybars.

I've put maybe 800 miles on the car since I got it roadworthy in January, 500 of those miles on V-Maxx - but I think I actually want to drive it in not-a-straight-line now.

metalman

08-01-2011, 08:54 AM

I installed mine last night - I was initially unhappy to find that the shock length looks very similar to my vmaxx's -

I found the shock length while not installed to be rather deceiving.
The fortunes were noticeably shorter physically yet there is zero rubbing (unlike my other setup) and I can actually pull normally into my driveway now without ripping my fenders off, even at 12" R and 11 1/2 F.
As for spring length, I didnt measure. I set them up by 'feel'. In other words I moved the lower collar (seat) up until it was snug, but I could still spin the spring, and thats where they are. I didnt even pay attention to the number of turns in on the bottom height adjustment as I determine that by exterior measurement/ride height/appearance. Obviously I am not corner balanced, but that isnt required for my application/use.

iscariot

08-01-2011, 11:54 PM

Yeah, I'll be resetting my ride height and possibly be doing a thread-to-inches count once the springs settle. My spring height is roughly the same as yours - tighten until things feel snug, a little more, then measure and make even on all sides.

Took it out after a quick rainshower on Sunday - man a new suspension just makes kicking out the rear end with the loud pedal just that much more fun.

LagunaRoadster

08-03-2011, 04:00 PM

Pics on Killboy. Lol.

Transitions were smooth, it felt great. No upsets, just great back and forth motion.

oldgrayfrog

08-03-2011, 05:53 PM

I really hope Joe has a set left for me. Sounds like everyone is happy with the new setup. Iscariot, beware making an evaluation on height until the car settles. My last setup the rear end took a week to eventually come down over an inch, no further adjusting, it just settled that much.

metalman

08-04-2011, 08:58 AM

beware making an evaluation on height until the car settles. My last setup the rear end took a week to eventually come down over an inch, no further adjusting, it just settled that much.

So far no settling on mine, although I would expect at least a little given some more time.

Mazdababy

08-07-2011, 05:23 AM

Laguna, how many threads from the base are your perches set?

oldgrayfrog

08-07-2011, 01:48 PM

If you want to get in on our Group Buy, PLEASE buy now!! I've been asked to set up a group buy for CR.net, and I'm sure they will sell out quickly, I don't know how long it will take to restock, they only made twenty sets initially. So if you've been on the fence, go buy them this week!

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 05:43 PM

I have the 7k/6k setup on full stiff and it is quite soft... Almost as soft as the tein basics I had. They spent 30 minutes on the phone to me telling me 8k/7k is for track application only.

metalman

08-16-2011, 07:17 PM

Um, yeah...right.

FooSchnickens

08-16-2011, 07:20 PM

So far no settling on mine, although I would expect at least a little given some more time.
Expect them to take about a month.

metalman

08-16-2011, 07:21 PM

Expect them to take about a month.

Cool. Good to know. :)

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:08 PM

Um, yeah...right.

Umm, yeah. Pushing on the car, I can easily make it bounce up and down. No crazy body roll, but very decieving to what they told me over the phone. I told them I wanted something with zero body roll that is pretty damn stiff.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:11 PM

Okay sure. C'mon over and push on my car and make it bounce up an down. :rolleyes:

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:16 PM

In that case, point out what I'm doing wrong. Because it is soft. Any way having the perches and collars set up improperly make it feel soft?

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:18 PM

Mine isnt soft. I have no idea what your issue is, unless its some village idiot factor. ;)

oldgrayfrog

08-16-2011, 08:21 PM

Can we bring back the village idiot tag again? Pushing up and down on a car? Uhm exactly where in the "how to test a suspension for dummies" did you read about that technique. You asked for "really stiff" suspension. Well I'm sure they sold you some 9k front and 7k rears, that means it will take about 500 ft/lbs of pressure to make the suspension move an inch. Given the fact that each time you take a step while running 8-10 times your body weight is applied to your foot/ground. Since I'm sure you jumped up and down trying to make the suspension move, you undoubtedly moved the car. Congrats you have just proved that you weigh more than 100lbs. As a test of suspension, worthless.

oldgrayfrog

08-16-2011, 08:22 PM

Go buy a book on setting up a suspension. READ IT!!

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:25 PM

Why are you acting like some older Mt turd? I asked a question without being an ***, I deserve an answer without assery attached to it.

Haha, village idiot; funny ****. No I did not jump up and down, I can use one hand and push it an inch. And if you would read before bashing, Oldgrayfrog, you'd realize I ordered 7k/6k.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:26 PM

I am being honest. Sorry if that offends you. Well, not really...I could give a sheit. :lol:

Obviously you are yet again defying the odds. *cough*

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:29 PM

Quite obvious; doesn't need to be stated.

So any answers now? You know, from someone that wants to help in a calm, non-bashful manner.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:34 PM

Also, the rear does go really really stiff. The front is butter, and on full soft is like the tein basics; very soft. The ride height in the rear is dropped all the way (no, not on the bumpstops) the front is raised a decent amount. That is why I asked of collar and perch placement pertains to the stiffness.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:35 PM

Perhaps rather then posting random stupid village idiot comments such as "you can bounce your car" you should visit the vendor in question in person. I am fully confident there is an explanation for your issue...one way or the other.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:36 PM

If you incorrectly preloaded your springs that can make them 'bouncy' but not 'soft'.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:39 PM

I did, fortune doesn't know why. And that's not a stupid question when comparing front to rear. Front should be far more stiff than the front and it's not even half as stiff on both corners. Oh, and when driving over a bump, the front glides over it and the rear just plants down hard. So there is your non "villiage idiot" examination of the suspension being soft.

The reason I didn't mention anything about the rears prior to this is because I thought they were on the bumpstops; further looking proved otherwise.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:40 PM

Not bouncy in any matter. Very very comfy, but that's not how it should be.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:42 PM

I did, fortune doesn't know why.

You visited Fortune in person up in Virginia? Ummm yeah, okay.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:43 PM

I called them right before they closed.

oldgrayfrog

08-16-2011, 08:46 PM

Kurt which of us is the MT.net turd but older? I'm old but man you helped Moses haul the wood up MT Ararat so....

I sorta think he was saying if you are unhappy with the product performance, that you should go to the fine and knowledgeable folks at RSpeed. Perhaps they can understand your bouncy issue, if you are there to offer your helpful insight,

I'm a bit surprised that you got the spring rates you did, if you asked for the stiffy.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:46 PM

Oh so in your language 'visit in person' and 'call' mean the same thing. Cool.

Obviously I was referring to RSpeed in case you missed it.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:48 PM

Kurt which of us is the MT.net turd but older? I'm old but man you helped Moses haul the wood up MT Ararat so....

I swear, I dont know anything about the ark. :D
Only what I have read.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:56 PM

I sorta think he was saying if you are unhappy with the product performance, that you should go to the fine and knowledgeable folks at RSpeed.

Yes exactly. But, its far easier to post random village idiot comments on forums rather then actually visit a vendor/tech that knows their azz from a hole in the ground for some help. This happens all the time, on all different forums, with all different vendors and products. Sad but true.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 08:56 PM

I'm pretty sure that fortune would have better knowledge on coilovers they engineered.. Why drive when you can call? Waste of gas.

metalman

08-16-2011, 08:59 PM

Why drive when you can call? Waste of gas.

Hmmm...let me think.....maybe because someone that knows their azz from a hole could troubleshoot your issue IN PERSON when they really cant over the phone. And I will add...especially in your case.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 09:00 PM

No! I already went to rspeed to discuss it before I bougt them, even test drove one of their cars on a softer setup than mine. I was asking if I set it up wrong, or if fortune messed up, etc. I am unhappy, because the rear is stiffer than the front. Not saying the product sucks, but trying to figure out my issue rather than calling people the village idiot.

I like this thread because people are more pron to help than bash unlike Mt. Net, and where I can talk about me drifting my Miata and not get bashed unlike m.net. So... Why do I feel like I'm on those sites again? Because I shouldnt.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 09:07 PM

Well, after about 5 hours it is now very stiff. I have no idea how the hell that works..??

metalman

08-16-2011, 09:11 PM

No! I already went to rspeed to discuss it before I bougt them,

Hows that working out for you??????
It seems you have all the answers as you are rejecting the help given. (as usual)
Visiting a knowledgeable vendor/tech AFTER the problem arises is the key here.
Anyone without their head 15 inches up their azz should know this or at least recognize it when pointed out. But...no, I guess you dont like the truthful answer, and as always, you will argue with a tree stump when you dont like the honest answers given.
As always I will give you an honest answer....whether you like it or not. :)

oldgrayfrog

08-16-2011, 09:22 PM

I swear, I dont know anything about the ark. :D
Only what I have read.

Jeez, you mean they had independent contractors on the Ark?!!

oldgrayfrog

08-16-2011, 09:24 PM

Question: why spin Mazdababy up?

Answer: It's ten PM and there isn't anything else going on.

Hey Kurt maybe we should start bowling on Tuesday nights instead?

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 09:28 PM

Well, issue resolved itself. The two of you can continue being azzholes amongst yourselves as I no longer need help ;)

metalman

08-16-2011, 09:48 PM

Well, issue resolved itself.

Wow!! A miracle!!!! Perhaps there really wasnt an issue to begin with.....hence my sarcasm at the beginning. ;)
But....I am sure you will be back with more argumentative village idiot questions. :lol:

metalman

08-16-2011, 09:49 PM

Jeez, you mean they had independent contractors on the Ark?!!

I never asked Noah. I didnt know him that well.

metalman

08-16-2011, 09:50 PM

Hey Kurt maybe we should start bowling on Tuesday nights instead?

Bowling?? With your neck??? :D
Even my back couldnt take that...unless perhaps you shared some of your meds. ;)

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 10:07 PM

Wow!! A miracle!!!! Perhaps there really wasnt an issue to begin with.....hence my sarcasm at the beginning. ;)
But....I am sure you will be back with more argumentative village idiot questions. :lol:

Explain to me how; the front is very soft on full stiff when the rear is very stiff. 5 hours after adjusting the height the front is very stiff. Seems like SUCH a 'village idiot' question to me. Just seems to me like you've got your head so far up YOUR azzhole that you have nothing better to do in your down time than to be a complete jackass on your local Miata club forum lol! Kind of pathetic to me. But hey, I know none of this will get to you, but I'm just being honest ;)

And on a further note, by being a dick, it moreso just pisses people off where as if you were cool and just explained your point of view, gave pointers, etc, the other party may consider seeing it your way or trying what you suggest.

theothersawyer

08-16-2011, 10:17 PM

Just seems to me like you've got your head so far up YOUR azzhole
At least he knows the difference between his azz and a hole in the ground :lol::lol::lol:

Beastinthebushes

08-16-2011, 10:22 PM

:cry:

Fixed

oldgrayfrog

08-16-2011, 10:24 PM

Hmmm, Kurt he seems to harbor animosity towards you, do you think he'll stop calling you at 10pm on what was it Christmas eve? Thanksgiving?, and asking for discounts on $10 parts? One can only hope. I am an azzhole,ask anyone who knows me. The line of folks want to kick my azz iz long and distinguished in it's membership, one more hater won't really make my day. If you were to form a club, of I hate OGF'ers, now that would make me smile:-)

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 10:29 PM

Well, this thread is beyond off topic. Either Kurt got the idea that it was pointless to argue and be a dick for the reason that i has a question or he signed off. Regardless, why do the rest of you continue to stir **** for no absolute reason? Quite immature I believe, and that's pretty bad to hear that from a 19 year old.. When talking about people who are supposed to be adults.

metalman

08-16-2011, 10:30 PM

Seems like SUCH a 'village idiot' question to me.

Good. Then we agree. :lol:

At least he knows the difference between his azz and a hole in the ground :lol::lol::lol:

Hahaha...this is true. :D

metalman

08-16-2011, 10:32 PM

Hmmm, Kurt he seems to harbor animosity towards you,
No. Not animosity....just not going to give babies the answer they want, but rather the truthful one. ;)

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 10:32 PM

Back on topic, I would like to add that after readjustiing the ride height and some kind of settling to occur for the proper dampening to take place, I'd say I am very pleased with how's these perform. Just went on a drive to see what these could do. Pretty much 0 body roll as expected, unlike when I first adjusted the height :P

metalman

08-16-2011, 10:34 PM

Wow! Jesus blessed these shocks! Its a miracle.
They dont roll, bounce, or otherwise provide an unsatisfactory ride. I am amazed.
NOT!

I knew that to begin with.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 10:39 PM

Is this thread all about YOU and letting YOU know what people think about them? I think not. You already have them, the titled is called Fortune Coilovers. I bought them, had a question, it resolved itself, and i provided feedback on my opinion of them. Why do you continue to be a dou***? It amazes me how bored you must be at the home :lol: run out of miatas to take apart?

metalman

08-16-2011, 10:46 PM

Lets see....you had a question????

I have the 7k/6k setup on full stiff and it is quite soft... Almost as soft as the tein basics I had. They spent 30 minutes on the phone to me telling me 8k/7k is for track application only....Pushing on the car, I can easily make it bounce up and down....blah blah blah

Yeah...not so much a question...but more like an unsubstantiated village idiot forum complaint....to which you got a very truthful (perhaps sarcastic) response. Now, go play with your Legos and quit whining about all the old guys picking on you. ;)

And remember...we were right, you really didnt have any problem after all.

God bless!!

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 11:03 PM

And I believe that comment was followed by a question if I had set them up improperly, if I'm not mistaken. Don't you have Miatas that need tending to so they can be taken apart? You must work fast if you spend this much time harrassing people atleast half your age because they may not be as knowledgable as yourself or address an issue to your liking. My bad, dood.

So what do you gain from this?

And how often do I actually 'call out for help' and in return not accept it and act stubborn and not take advice? I can think of one time; NB interior swap. And did I not prove all of you azzholes wrong that gave me **** saying I'll catch my car on fire because I'm a 'villiage idiot' who can't follow a wiring diagram and do some idiot wiring? I do believe that car ran perfect until it was wrecked. And I will add, with no fires ;) How often have I tried talking you down on a price? I believe one time when I wanted to give you $20 for the hoses for the power steering system instead of $25 because I'm a broke azz teenager. What about the numerous times I have asked you for parts just like any other person and you say 'eh, I'll look for it later because it's somewhere amongst all my other miata crap and I'll let you know if i even ever look for it even though I probably won't and I just lost however much I would have gotten for that part by looking for it and selling it to you' That seems to me more like a 'villiage idiot' act because not making money just because you got a problem with is quite... retarded lol. Unless you do that with everyone, that would also be retarded.

:facepalm:

I'd expect more out of Mx5atlanta. Most of you arent that bad, but I'll return to just using this site for it's classified section as that's the only useful part anymore because some people have to post unnecessary bullcrap rather than using the forum for it's sole intention.

I got an infraction way back for 'calling someone gay' and only meaning it as in stupid.. however other people get away with this bashing and immaturity constantly? lol makes a lot of sense? Nah.

Mazdababy

08-16-2011, 11:05 PM

And remember...we were right, you really didnt have any problem after all.

God bless!!

Wrong. It was soft, it is now stiff. I HAD a problem, I no longer do. I provided feedback and on the coilovers. Should there be an issue? I think not.

metalman

08-16-2011, 11:07 PM

So what do you gain from this?

Nothing. We simply helped you, told you the truth. Answered your questions with a bit of sarcasm and your panties are in a twist.

metalman

08-16-2011, 11:10 PM

Wrong. It was soft, it is now stiff. I HAD a problem, I no longer do.
Uh huh...like I said...you never did really have a problem. I pretty much knew that up front...knowing you. So relax, its all good. God bless. :)

Jack-MX5ATLanta.com

08-16-2011, 11:10 PM

quit *****in everyone.

Jack-MX5ATLanta.com

08-17-2011, 12:37 AM

seriously - stop it now the pair of you.

osnap

08-17-2011, 05:46 AM

So who has owned a set of these AND FM spec V-Maxx? Curious as to just how favorably the Fortunes compare.

oldgrayfrog

08-17-2011, 10:12 AM

Glad I went to bed. That continued a long while... As the V Spec have only been out maybe 8-9 months and these Fortune 500s have been out less than two months, I doubt you'll find anyone who has run both. OTH there are a lot of opinions on Sportmaxx, and not a lot of it good. I'll sum it up this way. If you are severely budget limited, and just want to drop your Miata very low, don't mind a harsh ride, and giving up a lot of the car's handling prowess (that's the effect of the lowering not the Vmaxx) then the VMaxx might work for you. If you still only have $600 to spend, I'd look to find a set of KYB AGX adjustable shocks and a set of Ground Control coilovers, (used) try and get a set of FM rear tophats (used about $200, new $270) which will garner you another 1.5" of travel in the rear (only applies to NAs, NBs have a different tophat design), at $800 you should be able to find a set of TEIN basics, non-adjustable but a good coilover with height adjustability. Once you get to $1000, I think the Fortunes are without peer. You can spend more $2000 for FM's AFCO assembly, $2800 for a set of OHLINs, or $2700 FLT-TAR Magics, the last two of which have aluminum bodies for a 7 or 8 lb weight loss in unsprung weight. I always say, buy used, you can get better stuff that way,remember that most of this stuff is built to go more than 100,000 miles without adjustment. Good Luck.

eyeballs

08-17-2011, 11:45 AM

I've been doing some research on the FM Vmaxx's since my AGX's have crapped out and I really don't need to be spending money on upgrades for a "fun" car right now. I've yet to find a single negative review about the FM Vmaxx's. Even reviewers with track and autocross experience seem to be satisfied with them. I have found some vague complaints about noise (usually blamed on something else) and bottoming out (with lots of weight in the car), though the overall review was stil positive. However, I've found a ton of people saying they're garbage who are not talking from personal experience. Yes, theoretically, no coilover in this price range should be anything but junk, but I am amazed how many people are so quick to denounce a product that's had only good reviews (from what I've found so far).

If I had the money, I'd get an FCM setup (which is on sale now!). These fortunes do seem to be a great bargain from what I've read so far, but unless I can find some good used stuff I see no reason not to try the FM Vmaxx's for my purposes (street, occasional autocross, maybe a track day). I'll also be getting the swaybar kit too since the spring rates are a little on the low side.

metalman

08-17-2011, 12:04 PM

Once you get to $1000, I think the Fortunes are without peer.

Especially IF they have the ability to self correct. :lol:

Regarding Vmaxx, as OGF indicated indirectly, the dampers have a rep for early failure.
For the money I would seek other options, such as used Bilstein/GC etc

eyeballs

08-17-2011, 12:22 PM

Regarding Vmaxx, as OGF indicated indirectly, the dampers have a rep for early failure.
For the money I would seek other options, such as used Bilstein/GC etc

Looks like I'll have to do bit more researching. Do you know what specifically the failure was? I just wonder is its something that the FM valving/spring rate/bumpstop might improve. I'd also think that if there was a significant weakness at least one of the two cars running the Targa Newfoundland would have had a failure. Either way, looks like I'll have awhile to think about it since the NB units are sold out now. And of course I'd prefer a bilstein,illumina,koni,agx/gc setup with proper spring rates and low miles.

OK back to the Fotrune stuff.....

iscariot

08-17-2011, 02:36 PM

So who has owned a set of these AND FM spec V-Maxx? Curious as to just how favorably the Fortunes compare.

That would be me. Hate the vmaxx, enjoying the fortunes. 600 miles on them, too low, not enough shock travel. only 150 miles on the fortunes, but I haven't had time (moved, busy moving, busy at work, new girlfriend) to tune the setup.

Expect the vmaxx's to be up for sale soon... so I shouldn't really air my grievances too loudly.. but I've talked at length in other fortune threads.