Red light camera defeat?

[jester911]

http://www.trydeal.com/cartruck/page1.html

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

You may be able to confuse the red light but I can guarantee the next time rolls up behind you he won't be so confused :lol:

[Doppelgänger]

more info... i'm gettin' nothing because of my filter :(

The ultimate defeat is one of those electronic LCD covers that white out the plate at the flip of a switch. Just flip a switch when running a red light cam or the cruise lane on 400 and you'll be good to go.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

It's a mechanical plate that flips down when you move.

[amaff]

You know what I do? It works every time: When the light turns red, I stop.

[RotorNutFD3S]

You know what I do? It works every time: When the light turns red, I stop.

Sheesh, where's the fun in that? :lol:

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

:lol: I happen to enjoy playing chicken and just fly through stopped intersections

[FE3tMX5]

You know what I do? It works every time: When the light turns red, I stop.

werd!

After some of the crashes I've seen from people running the red light at the intersection of Scott Blvd. and Clairemont Avenue in Decatur, I'd recommend stopping for the light. I've lived here over fifteen years and among some of the accidents I've actually run too from my house, I've seen some pretty nasty stuff - including three people pinned in the back seat of a Mazda Protege screaming because the car was broadsided and squeezed down to about half it's width. I was working on a car in the garage, heard the crash, and didn't actually run down there until I heard all the screaming. The girl in the middle was screaming and the two on each side weren't moving.

I actually saw an old 60s dodge get t-boned running the light. I was staring out (what was my office) window and BAM. The person driving stayed in one spot (no seat belt) and the car slid sideways, then they hit the oncoming impact of the interior and bounced back to the other side of the car. Definitely show the benefit of crumple zones. By the time I got there a cop was already on the scene.

[wildfire0310]

You know what I do? It works every time: When the light turns red, I stop.

What fun is that. When you see a red light you have to pull your e-brake and flip the car around, throw the car in Reverse. Then floor it through the intersection while you flip the camera off :biggrin:

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

That's terrible. The only times I've ever gone through red lights are when I've been battling the amber light late at night on an empty 316 or one occassion where I simply didn't see the lights because I was focusing on the next set of lights which were just ahead.

[wildfire0310]

werd!

After some of the crashes I've seen from people running the red light at the intersection of Scott Blvd. and Clairemont Avenue in Decatur, I'd recommend stopping for the light. I've lived here over fifteen years and among some of the accidents I've actually run too from my house, I've seen some pretty nasty stuff - including three people pinned in the back seat of a Mazda Protege screaming because the car was broadsided and squeezed down to about half it's width. I was working on a car in the garage, heard the crash, and didn't actually run down there until I heard all the screaming. The girl in the middle was screaming and the two on each side weren't moving.

I actually saw an old 60s dodge get t-boned running the light. I was staring out (what was my office) window and BAM. The person driving stayed in one spot (no seat belt) and the car slid sideways, then they hit the oncoming impact of the interior and bounced back to the other side of the car. Definitely show the benefit of crumple zones. By the time I got there a cop was already on the scene.

****. I remember the intersection that your talking about. The few times I drove through it, I always got the feeling that, that intersection wasn't funny to have to deal with.

[FE3tMX5]

Unfortunately my neighbor across the street fell victim to this intersection. It was the weekend and he was waiting to turn left into his driveway when a girl ran the light. Three houses from the intersection she rear ended him in his just restored 70s 911 (he was out for a first run on the rebuilt engine). Put the engine in the "back seat" of the car. His car came to stop three houses down from where he was and he was out cold. Guy still has back problems to this day. They estimate her speed thru the intersection at ~50mph through the intersection based on the tire marks and impact.

I've lived her a long time, so I probably seen less than an average of one BAD accident per year, which really isn't that bad. Especially when you consider the traffic in this town.

This thread reminds me of when I lived in Miami- I used to count to "one thousand three" before entering the intersection AFTER the light turned green. And I am alive today thanks to that simple trick for traffic survival. ;)

[Doppelgänger]

I'll admit, I run the red light in front of my work almost every morning, it's a left turn and the light is only for my building, no one else. But it's a VERY pointless light when I can see 100ft up the road and NO ONE is coming and i've timed the light to take 3-5min to change on average, but no less than 2 minutes, it's retarded. Now, when there is traffic, I do stop and wait for the light. I don't condone purposefully running red lights by any means on roads that have more than 1car/min traffic.

But using something to avoid speed cameras and toll booths... :D oh yeah.

[Acro]

werd!

After some of the crashes I've seen from people running the red light at the intersection of Scott Blvd. and Clairemont Avenue in Decatur, I'd recommend stopping for the light. I've lived here over fifteen years and among some of the accidents I've actually run too from my house, I've seen some pretty nasty stuff - including three people pinned in the back seat of a Mazda Protege screaming because the car was broadsided and squeezed down to about half it's width. I was working on a car in the garage, heard the crash, and didn't actually run down there until I heard all the screaming. The girl in the middle was screaming and the two on each side weren't moving.

I actually saw an old 60s dodge get t-boned running the light. I was staring out (what was my office) window and BAM. The person driving stayed in one spot (no seat belt) and the car slid sideways, then they hit the oncoming impact of the interior and bounced back to the other side of the car. Definitely show the benefit of crumple zones. By the time I got there a cop was already on the scene.


That is a bad intersection. That and the one at Glenlake Park on Church St.

[jester911]

Red light cameras don't stop people from out right running a light. A camera will not save someone from getting tboned. Red light cameras are about more revenue, not safety.

Having said that the device I linked to would only be effective if you were to premeditate running the light and engage the device. I don't condone that either.

[jester911]

The cars that the cameras catch are almost always making a left as the light turns red.

That is a much different scenario than actually running a light. I don't condone that either but most of us have pushed the envelope in that respect.

[Jack-MX5ATLanta.com]

Yeah, I've made countless left turns when already pushed out in traffic. I wouldn't call it particularly dangerous either unless people drive without actually looking 20ft ahead of them.

[wildfire0310]

Yeah, I've made countless left turns when already pushed out in traffic. I wouldn't call it particularly dangerous either unless people drive without actually looking 20ft ahead of them.

Yea but what is great I have been pushed out in traffic before and had lights turn to red but you can't back up cause everyone is on your ***. So if you don't run the red you sitting with your nose in traffic just waiting to get hit.

d**ned if you do and d**ned if you don't

[FE3tMX5]

I agree - to some extent. Here's the details - I know. :D If you push out into the intersection - IOW none of your car is behind the stop line, then you won't get a ticket when the light turns red from one of those cameras. They're triggered for anything crossing that stop line AFTER the light goes red. At least that's how the cams at Scott/NDecatur work. I rolled through behind a big GaPower truck thinking he was running the yellow and in fact he was just into the intersection when it went red. I wasn't, but crossed the line and got a ticket. I pull up into the intersection for a left on yielding green for a left on yellow/red and never get a ticket after hearing this.

But it's definitely the people going straight, that speed up to beat the red, who have caused all these accidents at that intersection.

[wildfire0310]

I agree - to some extent. Here's the details - I know. :D If you push out into the intersection - IOW none of your car is behind the stop line, then you won't get a ticket when the light turns red from one of those cameras. They're triggered for anything crossing that stop line AFTER the light goes red. At least that's how the cams at Scott/NDecatur work. I rolled through behind a big GaPower truck thinking he was running the yellow and in fact he was just into the intersection when it went red. I wasn't, but crossed the line and got a ticket. I pull up into the intersection for a left on yielding green for a left on yellow/red and never get a ticket after hearing this.

But it's definitely the people going straight, that speed up to beat the red, who have caused all these accidents at that intersection.

Well what is weird is that my buddy got a ticket from a camera because he followed behind someone and the light was still yellow. The light flipped the red and the car he was following through the intersection slowed down in the middle of the intersection(big 6 x 6 intersection) and the carema went off and he got a ticket. Which is f**ked up cause had the first car keep to the pace it had when it went through the light they both would have been fine. kinda BS but yea..

[FE3tMX5]

It is- because technically (by law as my neighbor who is a Fulton county defender would say), he wasn't running the red, he was running the yellow. The semantics comes about from having a legal presence in the intersection during the yellow, then having light change and suddenly making "you" illegal. So the idea is that if you roll into the intersection when the light is already red, then you have chosen to break the law. The ticket I got, explicitly laid all this out. It showed where I was (not in the intersection) at the given time the light turned red, then the point of time the violation occurred (on the other side of that stop line, in the intersection). The nice thing about the cameras is that you don't get points- just pay the fine. That wouldn't be the case IF it were a cop writing you a ticket. Then again, some of us just get warnings. ;)

[Doppelgänger]

Well what is weird is that my buddy got a ticket from a camera because he followed behind someone and the light was still yellow. The light flipped the red and the car he was following through the intersection slowed down in the middle of the intersection(big 6 x 6 intersection) and the carema went off and he got a ticket. Which is f**ked up cause had the first car keep to the pace it had when it went through the light they both would have been fine. kinda BS but yea..

Unless you were in the car with him and watched the light..and the other car, you can't just go by word of mouth. Those cameras don't just start clicking away when the light turns red, there are peramaters to how they operate, like what was said that they have to detect motion crossing a line after the light turns red. People are quick to blame other things rather than sucking up and taking blame. I've crossed many intersections when the light turned from yellow to red and not had the cameras go off. If that were the case, there would be THOUSANDS of tickes given out each day caused by people getting stuck in intersections due to simple congestion. Thus, lawsuits would ensue.

Oh, one other thing I learned after talking to a few officers. If you are sitting at a red light and a line of cars is crossing in front of you and their light changes to red, and you think "oh, they're running the red light" and decide to hit them, YOU will be at fault for not allowing the intersection to clear (I forgot what the actual violation is called).

If anything, it has been reported that small accidents increase dramatically at intersections with cameras. Duluth reported a 60% increase in rear-endings at P'tree Ind. and P. Hill because people see the yellow and slam on the brakes. The people that cause the worst accidents by running red lights are the people who are not paying attention to the road and run it long after the light turned red. From ones red light to the others green light is 3 seconds, coupled with the average reaction time of 1-2 seconds before you even start moving and another 1-2 seconds before you cross other lanes of traffic, that allows quite a bit of time for someone who has the red light to see it and stop. It's not the people that run it 1-2 seconds after it turns red that cause major accidents.

[wildfire0310]

Unless you were in the car with him and watched the light..and the other car, you can't just go by word of mouth. Those cameras don't just start clicking away when the light turns red, there are peramaters to how they operate, like what was said that they have to detect motion crossing a line after the light turns red. People are quick to blame other things rather than sucking up and taking blame. I've crossed many intersections when the light turned from yellow to red and not had the cameras go off. If that were the case, there would be THOUSANDS of tickes given out each day caused by people getting stuck in intersections due to simple congestion. Thus, lawsuits would ensue.


Normally I would agree with you but I seen the said intersection's cameras flash for other who had done the same thing. It just a really bad light. The left hand turn light is not long enough let people get through. It's right there at holcomb brigde and Roswell RD. (in front of star time)

I have been through a few lights where I figured a camera would go off and it didn't so I think that intersection is just the issue and not the camera but either why it just sucks. But as Rob mentioned, it wasn't for points so it isn't that bad.

[FE3tMX5]

I know what I thought before I opened up the envelope and looked at the photo. ;) I was stoopid and followed a truck into the intersection that blocked my view of the light KNOWING there were cameras there.

I agree - the cameras make bad drivers, drive worse. These are the people who can't drive worthy of license in the first place, then pick up a cell phone and now they have to worry about having their photo taken. Yikes.