Bahahaha, I've gone mad!

[wonton]

I have figured out my next project! Its gonna be EPIC!!!!! I have always been fond of power and nice cars that make you drool when staring at them. You may be asking yourself "WTF is wrong with you?", "Whats this new bright idea of yours genius?" or "Oh god, what now!?". Ill spill the beans at the end of this post, so just hang on! :D

Plans for the car that I will become my next victim will be:

redo interior to my satisfaction if its not already to my liking
suspenstion
wheels
fix any rust issues (not really worried about nice paint (I tend to like this car in a satin finish) :p
engine swap and all that jazz
and what ever a build involves

The good thing about this build is that I wont be hardpressed to finish it bacause for one, I actually have a DD now and two its gonna take a pretty good chunck of change to get this project rollin! Another good thing about this project is that Its for the most part Plug N Play :D and the parts to make it Plug N Play are not all that exspensive! :lol:

Oh man I cant wait, I have been doin a F**K ton of researching and part sorcing to bring me to this decision. The most exspensive parts of this build will the the car and the engine and trans!

Okay, onto Pics and videos to show you what I want to do!














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http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/5751/11855mgap2.jpg


Yes, thats right! An RB25DET.....It will eventually become a RB30DET, If your sayin that there is no such thing as a RB30! (your dead F*****G wrong) They can be had from Austrailia! ;) Just get a RB30 block and slap on a RB25DET head and from what I read you can use a RB20DET ECU that can be tuned (so pretty much its a OEM stand aone ECU) :D

Now for the car!

It will either be a 240z, 260z or possibly a 280z. prefferably 240 or 260!

http://rspistons.com/images/240z/37.jpg

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/411/240z9.png


F*****G EPIC WIN!!!!!

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[Beastinthebushes]

That black one looks bad ***

[theothersawyer]

Nice man!!! This will be a cool project and I will definitely be keepingup with it.

[wonton]

It will be just a lil bit before any of this even begins, but when it starts Im gonna be s*****n bricks! :D

[GVfanatic]

I just drooled alot. Car in first pic is super sexy. Green 240 in video sounds nasty awesome! DO IT!!!!

[jcmkam1990]

The old Z cars are cool, but finding one that isn't a rust bucket will be $$$$$$.

[wonton]

Not out here in Cali! ;) they are fairly cheap out here with lil to no rust!

[iamdallas]

Not out here in Cali! ;) they are fairly cheap out here with lil to no rust!

It's bull**** and I'm so jealous. Lolol. Goodluck with it man.


Tapatalk

[wonton]

lol, thanks man!

[oldgrayfrog]

Dude I love the old Z cars, but why not grab one that some Bubba has dropped a 350 into? There all over Georgia, and purty cheap too! I have an article around here somewhere where a guy put the R32 inline six into a 280z, with the turbo and all. Made like 500 whp in less than 2 atm of boost. Now I gotta find that magazine... anyways he ordered the whole engine and trans from a Japanese engine installer, came right to his door. Crap I should find a nice Z and have you drive it back for me!

[lance]

Dude I love the old Z cars, but why not grab one that some Bubba has dropped a 350 into? There all over Georgia, and purty cheap too! I have an article around here somewhere where a guy put the R32 inline six into a 280z, with the turbo and all. Made like 500 whp in less than 2 atm of boost. Now I gotta find that magazine... anyways he ordered the whole engine and trans from a Japanese engine installer, came right to his door. Crap I should find a nice Z and have you drive it back for me!

I would drop and LS3 in it and be done

[jzilla]

hey where in california did you end up at?

[johnzm]

i used to own an rb in a 240. while it was fun it was not all they are cracked up to be (i am not a big fan of boost).

anyways rb30's cannot rev so if ur ok with that blaze on!

if you wanna rev, ur best bet is to go 2jz. they got better aftermarket support too (expecially ECU's, which only apexi makes an aftermarket ecu for the rb) i did use nistune on my ride, so if u end up with an rb, i still got it on my tuning laptop..

also dont forget to mod the crank snout on the rb, so the oil pump drive does not fail on you, and remember! you will have to import EVERYTHING since u cannot find the parts in the us (freaking had to import timing belt and water pump gear frm austraila blah!) and if u are lucky you might only break 2 or 3 studs when removing the exhaust manifold, and hopefully your luckier than me cause my water pump which was new wouldnt stop leaking so i had to replace it with ANOTHER new one. and dont forget that everything you can find maint. wise is in japanese! dont forget the factory 2b20/25 turbo's have ceramic(or plastic) wheels that bust LOL

anyways yes i love rb's but man do a 2jz if you can LOL

YouTube - 240 SX buddyclub spec 2 3 inch DP

thats my old RB 240 :) my last project car

[wonton]

hey where in california did you end up at?

Im in SF right now, although Ill probly be coming home soon so I can go back to school and do a few things I wanna do before I make the BIG move out here. It will save me some money and give me a better chance of getting a good job out here.


As far as maintinance goes I have found a site that has every part I could need to maintain a RB25 and if Im not mistaken its stateside. I even dug deep enough when I was researching to find out about an alternate timing belt that I can get here in the states from a parts store (Its like a gates VW belt, Id have to look it up again to find which car and engine it was)

In the end, its going to be alot cheaper for me to do the RB swap than a 2J! The 2J engines that I have found are slightly more exspensive than a RB, not to mentions how cheap the swap kit parts are for the RB (swap kit is like 500 bucks for the mounts) I havnt found a kit for a 2J to go into a Z yet, but I have found a kit to put a 2J in a RX7 but that was almost 3k for mounts and driveshaft.

For me, I LOVE boost and I love the way a RB sounds. This wont be a high HP build. The farthest I would go under the hood is upgrade the intake manifold to a Greddy or the like, upgrade manifold and turbo (not much bigger than stock, just better) and IC, pipes and BOV.

:D I got dis all figured out........

[iamdallas]

I know how you can get a little extra cash... ;)



And some inspiration. I love this car.

http://www.loxlee-loves-engines.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Datsun-260z-slammed.jpg

Here is some info and more pics on it too

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/11/04/car-feature-gt-gt-that-240z.aspx

But it's still the l28. (which is an awesome motor)

EDIT: It's an l24 not an l28

[wonton]

Nice, Im in love with it already! Im gonna zone out for a bit while I check out the article. :p

lol, yeah that money will be going towards buying the car! :D

[FooSchnickens]

A real man would throw an OS Giken L28 in there.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4147/5167913571_602955e4cd_o.jpg

[wonton]

I dont know how much that engine but if their LSD is exspensive I can only guess at how much that longblock will cost!

Ill just stick with my RB plan!

[metalman]

I would drop and LS3 in it and be done

Um yeah...fuk the Nissan swap...I'd do this too.
But, then again I'd rock an original Z 6 cyl just for nostalgic kicks too.

[wonton]

:jawdrop:


http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu352/russellpate/2datsun280z.jpg

[DecoyOctopus]

the legendary rb is like the king of all turbo motors

[blk95r]

This 240Z is my all time favorite.
Then:
YouTube - Darius' 240Z
Now:
YouTube - MVI_5032.MOV

He lives in the South Bay area, the first video is pretty old, the second one is more current. This car is stupid fast. I'm all for a 240Z but with a V8.

[wonton]

^^^^^^ :eek:

I still want a RB! :lol:

the legendary rb is like the king of all turbo motors

lol, 500 or 600 hp thats easily obtainable on a stock bock is a winner in my book. Not to mention I can get the engine and trans w/ all accesories for under 2k! :D



(yeah, yeah......I know a LS serious motor can do that too. Thing is I want a a RB! :p)

[johnzm]

im telling you man, i OWNED one. rb's suck LOL!!

im serious..

[Jecht]

Old Zs are awesome. I'm just tired of seeing devil z replicas.

[wonton]

im telling you man, i OWNED one. rb's suck LOL!!

im serious..

what exactly sucks about them?

[iamdallas]

Nice, Im in love with it already! Im gonna zone out for a bit while I check out the article. :p

lol, yeah that money will be going towards buying the car! :D

Sweet. I'm happy ill be participating in some weird way Lolol.

If cash ever becomes a problem during the build see about an l28et. You can get a zx parts car for cheap and they can handle a good bit of boost. That's what I've always wanted to do if I ever got a z anyways.

I'm sure you already know all that though. Lolol.

As a side note... I can come pull the motor myself haha. :) if you've got a lift wherever it is.

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[wonton]

Sweet. I'm happy ill be participating in some weird way Lolol.

If cash ever becomes a problem during the build see about an l28et. You can get a zx parts car for cheap and they can handle a good bit of boost. That's what I've always wanted to do if I ever got a z anyways.

I'm sure you already know all that though. Lolol.

As a side note... I can come pull the motor myself haha. :) if you've got a lift wherever it is.

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lol, yep I have been doing nothing but reasearching endless possibilities!

Hmmmm, that could work. I can speak with buddy about that and see what he thinks!

[johnzm]

what sucks about them?

wel besdies the fact ive seen at least a dozen rb25's in my life and only ONE that ever ran right, and that was AFTER it blew up and was rebuilt lol.. my RB after fixing sooooo many little things ran good, but there are 50 people who have bad running rb's for every one that runs fine.

i suposed if your going to be rebuilding the entire engine, and replacing everything on it, that it should be ok. but in the end my experience with 240's and rb's pretty much sour'd me for life with nissans. the build quality compared to honda (and the miata so far) much worse, items are cheap and wear out faster, things break easier.

for reference, my 240 when we first started it would stop running when i put the e-brake handle down. the highbeams NEVER worked in one lamp (after replacing the stalk lights and checking connections numerous times) the seats fall apart plastic pieces break everywhere. my RB had 3 stuck injectors when we put it in, i cant tell you how many times i have been almost stranded because of it, for any number of things.

i am not inexperienced with swapping engines, i have had at least 5 different motors in my crx, and i used to do swaps for a living. but the rb was the most problematic, and frustrating swap i ever did.

so, in a nutshell, if all you want is the hp of the rb, get a sr20 if u wanna stay with nissan motors.
if not, id suggest a 2jz.

[wonton]

what sucks about them?

wel besdies the fact ive seen at least a dozen rb25's in my life and only ONE that ever ran right, and that was AFTER it blew up and was rebuilt lol.. my RB after fixing sooooo many little things ran good, but there are 50 people who have bad running rb's for every one that runs fine.

i suposed if your going to be rebuilding the entire engine, and replacing everything on it, that it should be ok. but in the end my experience with 240's and rb's pretty much sour'd me for life with nissans. the build quality compared to honda (and the miata so far) much worse, items are cheap and wear out faster, things break easier.

for reference, my 240 when we first started it would stop running when i put the e-brake handle down. the highbeams NEVER worked in one lamp (after replacing the stalk lights and checking connections numerous times) the seats fall apart plastic pieces break everywhere. my RB had 3 stuck injectors when we put it in, i cant tell you how many times i have been almost stranded because of it, for any number of things.

i am not inexperienced with swapping engines, i have had at least 5 different motors in my crx, and i used to do swaps for a living. but the rb was the most problematic, and frustrating swap i ever did.

so, in a nutshell, if all you want is the hp of the rb, get a sr20 if u wanna stay with nissan motors.
if not, id suggest a 2jz.

The only issues internally that need to be addressed is the crank shaft collar! (lots of people miss this and screw up there engines, the OEM crank collar didnt have enough sufface area to reliably drive the oil pump gear)

The issue with wireing will be solved buy buying a premade wiring harness. the motor will be going into a early 70s 240z and not a SX. A hell of alot less wires to mess with! ;)

Then replace the factory turbo with a better unit to get rid of the nylon/hardplastic compressor wheel and ceramic turbine wheel.

This wont be an all out High HP build, At most this build will get a turbo mani, slightly bigger turbo, intake manifold, a lil bit bigger injectors, supporting fuel mods, clutch and a nistune ecu. Right off the bat it will get the crank collar, better OEM replacement turbo and a clutch. Then the swap will be done and drivin bone stock with stock ECU. Parts for this are not nearly as hard to come by as people say. just gotta know where to look! ;)

[johnzm]

there are some serious harmonic issues with the 3.0 bottom end above 7000rpm i believe. most people seem to have interesting ways to address this, the most common being a fluidamper. of course this only attacks the problem from one end, and is not an end all solution to rev higher.

i hope u have more fun than i did with my rb, i sold it after getting pretty bored of turbo's in general. i am an allmotor guy, which is why i am doing a big v8 in my miata. i really miss being able to slap someones head onto the headrest at will, and having passing power on demand:)

anyways the big reason i suggested 2jz was because u dont have to look hard for parts, so you can shop and bargain hunt, and also junkyard hunt. also the engine is good for 8000rpm, which once u get bigger with the turbo, u want the extra rev's if u can get em for a more linear powerband. it does all that and is 3 liter, and if something horrible breaks (say you crack your intake manifold, or worse u float a valve and destroy the head, or bust your trans) you wont be out 800 bux and shipping from greddy or japan for a new one;)

i wont argue there are places u can find pieces for the RB in thestates, but they will always charge a premium and you will always be limited in your selection:( you know once u get the crank out and to a machine shop your going to want new bearings and a new oil pump and probably new rings and a new headgasket and that **** all starts to add up with an RB:(

if you end up doing this and need help with nistune, i am very experienced with tuning all cars, on all sorts of ECU's :)

[oldgrayfrog]

My biggest problem with the RB, is it's too f+ckin popular, which drives the prices too high!Get the Z car, get as clean a Z as you can afford. If it's a 240 and you no longer need to smog it, well triple webers will get you well into the mid 200's, play with the inline 3.0 six and a better exhaust mani/header and run triples and you can hit mid 300 whp. Or just come back and buy one of these rednecks 350 transplants and ship it to Cali or wherever you're going for $350. Seriously there's usually 3 or 4 on Craigslist most weeks..

[FooSchnickens]

Just get an SR and you can make 400hp on pump gas like all the cool kids.

[wonton]

I see more V8 swaps then RB swaps, yeah its popular in 240sx's but it but not so much in a old Z! Im a turbo dude, always have and always will be. I just dont like the Idea of shelling out around 4k for just a 2jz, trans, wiring harness and ecu.


Hell ARP head, main and rod bolt bundle pack is only 420 bucks. ACL rod and main bearings is somewhere in the 250 range, a cometic headgasket is like 175 bucks and all this is state side. I have already found about 10 qo 15 site with everything that I need for the RB and both the Z.

Ill keep looking into the 2jz side of things, but if I do that instead it will get dropped into a FC RX-7.......

[wonton]

Damn, why is it deals pop up when you dont have the funds readily available! Anybody wanna shoot me a loan! :D :lol:

[wonton]

Im keeping the whole 2jz swap in mind and have been looking for engines and everybody wants an arm and a leg for them! Any thoughts on a 1jz?

I know one of the only differences between a 2jzge and 2jzgte is that the turbo engine got oil squirters/sprayers to help cool the pistons. the both have the same internals. Also before a certain year didnt have VVT-I.

[iamdallas]

Damn, why is it deals pop up when you dont have the funds readily available! Anybody wanna shoot me a loan! :D :lol:

really?

[wonton]

huh?

I found a place that I can snag a RB25det with RWD 5 speed for just under 2k. I found a guy selling a S2 RB25det long block for 700 bucks but im a lil sceptical about it. there is a s13 with a RB25det swap in FL for 4k. I could get that s13 and get what I want from it and sell everything else! lol

[wonton]

OMG! Im bout to go nuts! I need to figure out how to get this car!

http://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/2278632477.html

[iamdallas]

OMG! Im bout to go nuts! I need to figure out how to get this car!

http://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/2278632477.html

:D


That's a find. I they were around here like that I would have at least 3. lolol

[wonton]

well, I might be staying out in Cali a lil bit longer. I just got a call back from one of my interviews. Now Ill be able to get a car out here and get it ready for a cross country trip! lol

[blk95r]

OMG! Im bout to go nuts! I need to figure out how to get this car!

http://modesto.craigslist.org/cto/2278632477.html

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can hate on Cali all you guys want but cars like this don't exist on the East Coast. Cool old Japanese cars in rust free condition are easy pickings on the West Coast. Love that car, don't hold back, go get it!

[wonton]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, you can hate on Cali all you guys want but cars like this don't exist on the East Coast. Cool old Japanese cars in rust free condition are easy pickings on the West Coast. Love that car, don't hold back, go get it!

Gotta find some money first! :(

[GVfanatic]

i'd love to do somethin crazy like a 2jz Swap into a miata but i'd be the guy that would try to hook up a twin screw supercharger to it just to be different. of course the new V6 engines from the new mustang or camaro would also be fun :D a twin screw on top of the chevy LLT v6 would sound nasty good

[johnzm]

hey,

if you end up looking for an rb25, MAKE SURE it comes with the rb25 trans. its "the trans to have" it can handle the power and wont blow up. the RB26 trans is AWD, and the rb20 trans cannot handle the power (its basically the same as the SR/KA trans)

they go for decent cash(i usually saw them at 1g when i was into rb's) cause rb26 people typically will put the rb25 trans on to easily convert the engine to rwd. the stock rb26 trans has the front axle go through the oil pan, so its a pretty wacky setup and cost a good bit of cash to get the rb26 to rwd.

oh and as far as the 1jz, there is actually a pretty decent following for that motor. ive heard the easily rev much higher than the 2jz, altho i dont know much about them it might be worth it to invest some time researching it :)

[wonton]

hey,

if you end up looking for an rb25, MAKE SURE it comes with the rb25 trans. its "the trans to have" it can handle the power and wont blow up. the RB26 trans is AWD, and the rb20 trans cannot handle the power (its basically the same as the SR/KA trans)

they go for decent cash(i usually saw them at 1g when i was into rb's) cause rb26 people typically will put the rb25 trans on to easily convert the engine to rwd. the stock rb26 trans has the front axle go through the oil pan, so its a pretty wacky setup and cost a good bit of cash to get the rb26 to rwd.

oh and as far as the 1jz, there is actually a pretty decent following for that motor. ive heard the easily rev much higher than the 2jz, altho i dont know much about them it might be worth it to invest some time researching it :)

I wouldnt get a RB any other way. The price of the RB25 trans has gone up then casue they are selling for $1500 to $2000. The funny thing is, I have found the RB25det S1 and S2 for just under $2000. :lol:

Im gonna look further into the whole 1jz thing. I have been reading peoples posts over on NICOclub.com that the 1jz is suppose to be pure awesomeness. I just gotta figure out what to do about a transmission. Another good thing about a 1j is that I have been finding those in the $1000 to $1500 dollar range. (significantly cheaper than a 2j) But I think that It comes with a automatic from the Soarer.

I may just have to change this up to a FC with a 1j swap if I start likeing what I read, and because I still want a Datsun, I can try and pick up a 210 310 or a 510 and drop a SR20 in it (SR20s are starting to get stupid cheap) and make it become my daily.